no confession on ash wenesday?
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StevusMagnus Wrote:
QuisUtDeus Wrote:A failure to prepare on our part does not constitute an emergency on the priest's part.  Catholics should be "busy" in the confessional all year long.
Catholics should be "busy" at mass all year long as well.

Your statement, while true, does not detract from my point.  Ash Wednesday is not a holy day of obligation, but it is an important day in the liturgical calendar that is not celebrated any other day of the year. 

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Quote:If they were, limited confession on Ash Wednesday wouldn't be a big deal.  Instead everyone who still hasn't fully apostasized goes "Oh crap, it's Lent" and tries to jam in there because they neglect going on a regular basis.

Speculation. "Limited"? Try none. What better way to start off the prime penitential season of Lent than with confession? I'm simply saying HAVE confessions. Offer them instead of 2 extra Masses on a day that is not obligatory to attend Mass. You are setting up the false proposition that it is either or.

None?  Are you being absolute in that statement?  Want to wager that there were Confessions available in Catholic churches on that day?

I didn't set up a false proposition that it is "either or".  I said limited Confessions and Ash Wednesday services.

However, you did make an "either or" proposition that is false.  Do you even read the arguments you make?

Quote:Priests should be "busy" in the confessional to kick off the penitential season of Lent. Not off distributing ashes 4 times that day and cancelling confessions.

You say: They should be in the confessional and NOT off distributing ashes and cancelling confessions.  Apparently in your mind they can't do both.

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Quote:Usually, there is plenty of opportunity for Confession during Lent. 

There's plenty of opportunity for Mass during Lent as well.

Irrelevant, plus Ash Wednesday services only happen on Ash Wednesday.  Confession can happen any day.

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Quote:You won't go to hell because you aren't in a state of Sanctifying Grace on Ash Wednesday.  You go to hell because you aren't in a state of Sanctifying Grace on any day of the year.  Which makes my point - the problem isn't priests giving Ashes as they should be doing; the problem is people not going to Confession regularly.

Nobody is arguing that Catholics shouldn't confess frequently. They shouyld go to Mass regularly too. That doesn't mean we shouldn't have zero masses on Ash Wednesday, just as it means we shouldn't have zero confessions on Ash Wednesday. The point is that the season of penance being kicked off with no penance and multiple distribution of sacramentals is wacky.

No one suggested zero confessions, but you did suggest they should not be holding Ash Wednesday services and holding confessions instead.

This is not a mere sacramental.  It is how the Church liturgically starts the Lenten season.  Would you reduce Good Friday services to this?  Would you argue priests should give up Good Friday services to hear confessions?

Actually, you probably would.  It fits right in with your other distorted view of Catholicism that require 1950's haircuts.

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Quote:Hey, if Ash Wednesday wakes people up, that's great.  But it doesn't mean the Church has to kiss our asses because we suddenly decided to get with the program.


Right. The Church doesn't have to kiss our asses by providing "Ash Wednesday" Catholics with 4 ash distribution services. Instead they should allow these Catholics the opportunity to get straight with God and come home and repent on Ash Wednesday through the sacrament of Penance. <FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">They need to get priorities straight</FONT>. The apostates need confession before they need ashes.


The Church needs to get her priorities straight?  The arrogance is astounding.

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no confession on ash wenesday? - by OldMan - 02-25-2009, 04:27 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by Gman - 02-25-2009, 04:29 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by StevusMagnus - 02-25-2009, 04:30 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by OldMan - 02-25-2009, 06:51 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by 40Days - 02-25-2009, 11:24 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by Carthusian - 02-26-2009, 02:18 AM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by Iuvenalis - 02-26-2009, 03:35 AM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by StevusMagnus - 02-26-2009, 01:42 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by LRThunder - 02-26-2009, 01:44 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by SCG - 02-26-2009, 01:47 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by StevusMagnus - 02-26-2009, 01:51 PM
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no confession on ash wenesday? - by SCG - 02-26-2009, 02:04 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by StevusMagnus - 02-26-2009, 02:06 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by StevusMagnus - 02-26-2009, 02:10 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by SCG - 02-26-2009, 02:11 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by Carthusian - 02-26-2009, 02:19 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by StevusMagnus - 02-26-2009, 02:25 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by StevusMagnus - 02-26-2009, 02:26 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by Carthusian - 02-26-2009, 02:36 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by LRThunder - 02-26-2009, 02:44 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by StevusMagnus - 02-26-2009, 02:50 PM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by moneil - 02-27-2009, 12:00 AM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by moneil - 02-27-2009, 12:08 AM
no confession on ash wenesday? - by Historian - 02-27-2009, 02:39 AM
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no confession on ash wenesday? - by StevusMagnus - 02-27-2009, 03:12 PM
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no confession on ash wenesday? - by Historian - 02-27-2009, 03:28 PM
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no confession on ash wenesday? - by Carthusian - 02-27-2009, 06:28 PM
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