Licit to attend weekly NO Masses with abuses?
(04-28-2009, 09:58 AM)glgas Wrote: I grown up in a Church which was built in the early 18th Century. In the sacristy there was a little sink, which led to nowhere deep below the Church. This was the definite suitable place to pour the possible remainders of the Eucharist. In the new Churches there were no such to pour, so the professors of the liturgy were in trouble how to define the suitable place. I personally believe, if a practical faith related question cannot be answered in generic terms better to leave it without legislation.

As for the celebrating mass in state of mortal sin, was laxer then taking (it is not receiving) the Eucharist in the state of mortal sin by a layperson. The priest should try the act of contrition and making confession as soon as possible, the layperson should stay away from the communion. I do not know how and when it changed. When I left Hungary in 1981 people did not lined up for communion, except for Easter time and after the Advent mission only a few went to receive the Eucharist. Over here I was stunned that everyone is saint, and found documents that this process started immediately after 1970, may be earlier.

The probable reason is the redefinition of the mortal sin. There was a seriuos movement in the first half of the 20th Century to turn the moraltheology from the prohibition, to the assertions of the positive values.

Between the early 18th Century and the middle of the 20th Century the sexual sins (masturbation, premarital sex) where overemphasized, and became the only mortal sins for the majority. During the sixties in the West they became re-emphasized without emphasizing other areas, which are equally important for the Christian life: God in the public life, dignity of life, the integrity of the family, social justice, global awarness. The Novus Ordo Mass put in the Confiteor the sins of omission, but this remained mere words, without any doctrinal teaching behind it, and in most Churches the Confiteor itself was abolished too.

I am not sure that this partial redefinition of the mortal sin was from the Church and it is almost certainly bad direction, which is shown by the catastrophic lack of priestly vocations.


I wouldnt agree there about the first point, the Church clearly sets out what to do in every eventuallity - the solution for your problem there with the New Churches - is to build the Church properly not to leave out legislation because the Church doesnt take the Blessed Sacrament into account. This is why Dei Defectibus was published - because of abuses which were obviously going on at the time.

I totally agree with you about the redefintion of mortal sin, its not even mentioned anymore - i cant count the amount of times that a Priest told me 'thats not a mortal sin' or 'we dont think of things like that anymore'.


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Re: Licit to attend weekly NO Masses with abuses? - by tradmaverick - 04-28-2009, 11:26 AM

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