Should torture ever be allowed?
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(04-29-2009, 05:09 PM)SaintRafael Wrote:
(04-29-2009, 05:00 PM)QuisUtDeus Wrote: The same "infallible" Catechism that teaches capital punishment is illicit in direct contradiction of previous teachings?   ::)

It is not "of the centuries".  The Church allowed specific forms of torture during the Inquisition.

Moving this thread to theological debate.

I didn't say the Catechism was infallible. Catechism themselves are not infallible. They are books that contain infallible teachings.

I said the moral teachings against kidnapping, torture, and terrorism in 2297 were infallible. The central dogmas in that book are also infallible. That it contains error on the death penalty is a different topic and besides the point.  JPII's errors on the death penalty is a different issue.

But the whole question, SaintRafael, is whether JPII was in error on the specifics of torture, just as he was on the death penalty.  You need to prove from sources *other than the Catechism* that the Catechism's position on torture is infallible.  I bet that *if* the Catechism authors were to give a source for 2297's teaching on torture, they would refer to Gaudium et Spes, which you said you didn't care about.  Please find the magisterial sources necessary for your argument.  *Please* check out what Fr. Harrison has to say about the magisterial testimony on the question.
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Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Walty - 04-29-2009, 10:29 AM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by DrBombay - 04-29-2009, 03:05 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by SCG - 04-29-2009, 03:09 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by SCG - 04-29-2009, 03:12 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Texican - 04-29-2009, 03:14 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by SCG - 04-29-2009, 03:19 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by DrBombay - 04-29-2009, 03:23 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Texican - 04-29-2009, 04:31 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Texican - 04-29-2009, 05:00 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Texican - 04-29-2009, 05:03 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Bonifacius - 04-29-2009, 05:16 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Melita - 04-29-2009, 05:23 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Texican - 04-29-2009, 05:32 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Walty - 04-29-2009, 06:57 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by SCG - 04-29-2009, 07:33 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Texican - 04-29-2009, 07:45 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by SCG - 04-29-2009, 08:20 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by SCG - 04-29-2009, 08:26 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by SCG - 04-29-2009, 08:45 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by SCG - 04-29-2009, 09:07 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Marc - 04-29-2009, 09:40 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by INPEFESS - 04-30-2009, 08:14 AM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by INPEFESS - 04-30-2009, 09:45 AM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by INPEFESS - 04-30-2009, 10:27 AM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by INPEFESS - 04-30-2009, 11:01 AM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by INPEFESS - 09-02-2009, 11:19 AM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by glgas - 09-02-2009, 01:50 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by INPEFESS - 09-02-2009, 03:16 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by INPEFESS - 09-02-2009, 09:05 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by INPEFESS - 09-03-2009, 01:16 AM



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