Should torture ever be allowed?
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(04-29-2009, 05:32 PM)Bonifacius Wrote: Sigh.  We are not debating what the United Nations says about torture.  We are debating what the Church says about torture, how the Church defines it.  Simply because the UN says something is wrong, does not make it so.  The UN also supports abortion.  As you will not rely upon the Magisterium, I fear that you are admitting you cannot sustain your argument.  Note very well:  the UN distinguishes between the use of torture to get a *confession* and the use of torture to get *information.*  The Catechism (for whatever it's worth) condemns the use of torture to get "confessions" but DOES NOT MENTION "information."  We are dealing precisely with the use of torture to get *information* in a ticking timebomb situation. If anything, the details of the UN definition suggest that the Catechism authors were being quite discrete in *not* condemning torture for any and all reasons, and in not listing "extraction of information" among the ends for which pain may not be inflicted.

I don't care about the U.N. The U.N definition of torture was only to give a general definition of torure, which both the secular world and the Church believes is more than just a simplistic generic infliction of pain. It's the infliction of pain that contains the conditions that define torture.

You said that inflicting pain is not evil. I am saying inflicting pain is not evil, but torture is more than that. Torture fits the general defintion of this document among many others.



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Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Walty - 04-29-2009, 10:29 AM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by DrBombay - 04-29-2009, 03:05 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by SCG - 04-29-2009, 03:09 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by SCG - 04-29-2009, 03:12 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Texican - 04-29-2009, 03:14 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by SCG - 04-29-2009, 03:19 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by DrBombay - 04-29-2009, 03:23 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Texican - 04-29-2009, 04:31 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Texican - 04-29-2009, 05:00 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Texican - 04-29-2009, 05:03 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Melita - 04-29-2009, 05:23 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Texican - 04-29-2009, 05:32 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by SaintRafael - 04-29-2009, 05:41 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Walty - 04-29-2009, 06:57 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by SCG - 04-29-2009, 07:33 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Texican - 04-29-2009, 07:45 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by SCG - 04-29-2009, 08:20 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by SCG - 04-29-2009, 08:26 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by SCG - 04-29-2009, 08:45 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by SCG - 04-29-2009, 09:07 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Marc - 04-29-2009, 09:40 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by INPEFESS - 04-30-2009, 08:14 AM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by INPEFESS - 04-30-2009, 09:45 AM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by INPEFESS - 04-30-2009, 10:27 AM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by INPEFESS - 04-30-2009, 11:01 AM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by INPEFESS - 09-02-2009, 11:19 AM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by glgas - 09-02-2009, 01:50 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by INPEFESS - 09-02-2009, 03:16 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by INPEFESS - 09-02-2009, 09:05 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by INPEFESS - 09-03-2009, 01:16 AM



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