Should torture ever be allowed?
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Furthermore, part of the reason I kept asking whether the direct infliction of pain was always wrong is because people were saying, rather willy-nilly I think, that torture is inherently wrong, regardless of circumstances.  Well, whether a given painful act counts as torture or not is defined by circumstances.  Punching a guy in the face repeatedly counts as torture depending on intention and context; in a different intention and with a different context, it's called boxing.  So many of the acts involved in torture are morally neutral, just as killing is.  I've argued that holding a guy's head under water is morally neutral, too, as I may do so when they guy is trying to drown me and by dunking him underwater I may save my own life.  Direct infliction of pain may also be moral when a guy is coming at me with a knife & I taze him.  So the *means* employed in torture may not be inherently wrong.  So it's a matter of ends, circumstances, and proportionality.  I may dunk people's heads underwater to make them think they're drowning, or even to drown them, in order to save my life under some circumstances.  Is waterboarding a terrorist one such circumstance?  Now, if it's a question of sadism (I'm waterboarding him because I enjoy it) -- immoral.  I'd even be willing to say that, despite the custom of the Inquisition, it's immoral to physically coerce people into self-incrimination.  But in a case of terrorism, the means of severe pain infliction (*some* of which I've shown are not inherently immoral) seem proportionate to the end.  Hold a guy's head under water so he won't try to pull me under and drown me, hold a guy's head under water so he'll say where the atomic bomb is located in the city -- sound pretty analogous to me.  If the Magisterium doesn't address this form of self-defense, it seems it's open for debate.  
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Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Walty - 04-29-2009, 10:29 AM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by DrBombay - 04-29-2009, 03:05 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by SCG - 04-29-2009, 03:09 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by SCG - 04-29-2009, 03:12 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Texican - 04-29-2009, 03:14 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by SCG - 04-29-2009, 03:19 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by DrBombay - 04-29-2009, 03:23 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Texican - 04-29-2009, 04:31 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Texican - 04-29-2009, 05:00 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Texican - 04-29-2009, 05:03 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Melita - 04-29-2009, 05:23 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Texican - 04-29-2009, 05:32 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Bonifacius - 04-29-2009, 06:02 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Walty - 04-29-2009, 06:57 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by SCG - 04-29-2009, 07:33 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Texican - 04-29-2009, 07:45 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by SCG - 04-29-2009, 08:20 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by SCG - 04-29-2009, 08:26 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by SCG - 04-29-2009, 08:45 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by SCG - 04-29-2009, 09:07 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Marc - 04-29-2009, 09:40 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by INPEFESS - 04-30-2009, 08:14 AM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by INPEFESS - 04-30-2009, 09:45 AM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by INPEFESS - 04-30-2009, 10:27 AM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by INPEFESS - 04-30-2009, 11:01 AM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by INPEFESS - 09-02-2009, 11:19 AM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by glgas - 09-02-2009, 01:50 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by INPEFESS - 09-02-2009, 03:16 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by INPEFESS - 09-02-2009, 09:05 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by INPEFESS - 09-03-2009, 01:16 AM



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