Should torture ever be allowed?
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(04-29-2009, 07:49 PM)Bonifacius Wrote:
(04-29-2009, 07:33 PM)StrictCatholicGirl Wrote: I can't believe this is still a debate in the 21st century. Torture is utterly evil. If we must pit contradicting church documents against each other - then choose the one that better reflects the tradition of the Gospel and the Sermon on the Mount!

You are quite passionate about this issue, I understand.  Per the New Testament, you should be able to give a reason for your position.  A superficial reading of the Sermon on the Mount would make it sound like slavery is utterly evil, yet St. Paul told Onesimus to go back to Philemon as his slave and the Church does not condemn slavery as utterly evil.  A superficial reading of the Sermon on the Mount and the Gospel might result in pacifism, yet we know from the Church that war is not inherently evil.  It all depends on how you define torture.  "Dirty" or not, Dirty Harry certainly seems to have done the right thing to step on the murderer's leg to try to save the girl.  I am willing to say that he was following the Gospel.  Remember, Our Lord Himself in parables compared purgatory and hell to the torments that masters impose on unworthy slaves.  The Good Thief admits that he and the bad thief were getting their just deserts in being crucified, and the author of the Gospel does not record anyone correcting him.  

But wait, when St. Paul told slaves to be submissive to their masters he was not necessarily condoning slavery itself. He was reminding them that ALL were equal in Christ and to be faithful despite their poor lot in life. I think the book of Exodus reveals God's views about slavery!

Same with the early martyrs. They endured torturous deaths because Christ told them "blessed are they who suffer persecution for my sake." Was Christ condoning persecution? Of course not!  He was telling them they might have to face injustices and, if so, to face them with courage because their reward was great in heaven. He was encouraging them. But let's not pretend that such encouragements are excuses for bad behavior.

- Lisa
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Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Walty - 04-29-2009, 10:29 AM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by DrBombay - 04-29-2009, 03:05 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by SCG - 04-29-2009, 03:09 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by SCG - 04-29-2009, 03:12 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Texican - 04-29-2009, 03:14 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by SCG - 04-29-2009, 03:19 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by DrBombay - 04-29-2009, 03:23 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Texican - 04-29-2009, 04:31 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Texican - 04-29-2009, 05:00 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Texican - 04-29-2009, 05:03 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Melita - 04-29-2009, 05:23 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Texican - 04-29-2009, 05:32 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Walty - 04-29-2009, 06:57 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by SCG - 04-29-2009, 07:33 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Texican - 04-29-2009, 07:45 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by SCG - 04-29-2009, 08:20 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by SCG - 04-29-2009, 08:26 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by SCG - 04-29-2009, 08:45 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by SCG - 04-29-2009, 09:07 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Marc - 04-29-2009, 09:40 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by INPEFESS - 04-30-2009, 08:14 AM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by INPEFESS - 04-30-2009, 09:45 AM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by INPEFESS - 04-30-2009, 10:27 AM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by INPEFESS - 04-30-2009, 11:01 AM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by INPEFESS - 09-02-2009, 11:19 AM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by glgas - 09-02-2009, 01:50 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by INPEFESS - 09-02-2009, 03:16 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by INPEFESS - 09-02-2009, 09:05 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by INPEFESS - 09-03-2009, 01:16 AM



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