Should torture ever be allowed?
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(04-29-2009, 08:20 PM)StrictCatholicGirl Wrote: But wait, when St. Paul told slaves to be submissive to their masters he was not necessarily condoning slavery itself. He was reminding them that ALL were equal in Christ and to be faithful despite their poor lot in life. I think the book of Exodus reveals God's views about slavery!

Same with the early martyrs. They endured torturous deaths because Christ told them "blessed are they who suffer persecution for my sake." Was Christ condoning persecution? Of course not!  He was telling them they might have to face injustices and, if so, to face them with courage because their reward was great in heaven. He was encouraging them. But let's not pretend that such encouragements are excuses for bad behavior.

- Lisa

I repeat:  I was not referring to when St. Paul told slaves to obey masters.  I referred to when he told Onesimus, who had escaped, to go back to Philemon, *and* St. Paul did not require it of Philemon to release Onesimus.  You mention Exodus.  The Mosaic Law permitted the Isrealites to own *their own slaves*!  So if we are to appeal to the Old Testament, some forms of slavery are okay.  But I digress; it was a poor example as it was controversial itself.

But you *still* have not proven that the direct infliction of pain in the situations we've been discussing is always bad behavior.  You have simply begged the question.  
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Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Walty - 04-29-2009, 10:29 AM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by DrBombay - 04-29-2009, 03:05 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by SCG - 04-29-2009, 03:09 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by SCG - 04-29-2009, 03:12 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Texican - 04-29-2009, 03:14 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by SCG - 04-29-2009, 03:19 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by DrBombay - 04-29-2009, 03:23 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Texican - 04-29-2009, 04:31 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Texican - 04-29-2009, 05:00 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Texican - 04-29-2009, 05:03 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Melita - 04-29-2009, 05:23 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Texican - 04-29-2009, 05:32 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Walty - 04-29-2009, 06:57 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by SCG - 04-29-2009, 07:33 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Texican - 04-29-2009, 07:45 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by SCG - 04-29-2009, 08:20 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by SCG - 04-29-2009, 08:26 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Bonifacius - 04-29-2009, 08:29 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by SCG - 04-29-2009, 08:45 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by SCG - 04-29-2009, 09:07 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by Marc - 04-29-2009, 09:40 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by INPEFESS - 04-30-2009, 08:14 AM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by INPEFESS - 04-30-2009, 09:45 AM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by INPEFESS - 04-30-2009, 10:27 AM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by INPEFESS - 04-30-2009, 11:01 AM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by INPEFESS - 09-02-2009, 11:19 AM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by glgas - 09-02-2009, 01:50 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by INPEFESS - 09-02-2009, 03:16 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by INPEFESS - 09-02-2009, 09:05 PM
Re: Should torture ever be allowed? - by INPEFESS - 09-03-2009, 01:16 AM



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