How bad would a Novus Ordo Mass have to be to justify not attending?
(05-13-2009, 07:31 PM)Rosarium Wrote:
(05-13-2009, 05:41 PM)INPEFESS Wrote: Do they? I have not heard this from the Protestant majority, which should be considered. Protestants detest the word priest because it implies a special faculty that is believed by Catholics; the term denotes a recognition of that faculty. I've only heard it used by Protestants when speaking to Catholics because they know Catholics call their "leaders" 'priests' and will know what they mean. But they do this because they don't believe that there is a difference between "Minister" and priest.
Those who are against the Catholic priest use are so because everyone is a priest who believes as they do. They don't think priests as a concept don't exist, just that it is nothing special. They also use grape juice for "consecration" which they don't believe to have any change and they have women ministers as well.

Ok. Well me must know of entirely different Protestant groups. I'm not saying you're wrong, but most of the people I know are Protestants, and none of them have ever referred to priests in this way. To them, priest is a Catholic term and they don't use it unless they're trying to relate to a Catholic. You may be right though. I don't claim extensive knowledge about what Protestants call each other; but I've never met one to do this.

(05-13-2009, 07:31 PM)Rosarium Wrote:
(05-13-2009, 05:41 PM)INPEFESS Wrote: "Priest" has been used by Catholics for centuries; if it has been perverted by Protestants then there is no reason to concede to a term that has always been used by Protestants as denoting a lack of faculty.

No, it has always been the English form of the Greek word which comes from the Latin "presbyter". Priest is presbyter having gone through Greek and Anglo-Saxon changes.

Priest was just a way to translate the Greek word from the original text and the Latin word from the Vulgate. Yes, those who deny the priesthood do change the word, but they don't use the same family of words, but an entirely different one like "elder" or "minister".

Ok. I'm surprised you don't see the same problem I do, though. Again, I must stress principle. The motive behind this wasn't to clarify the faculties of the priest because these faculties have been taught, understood, and associated with Catholicism everywhere in the English speaking nations throughout the centuries. The word "presbyter" is more acceptable to Protestants because there is not yet any association with Catholicism attached to the word - no Protestant group associates the word with these faculties because the Church has not promulgated this association in the English language, at least not to the degree it has with the word "priest".  If I was Protestant, I would most certainly get the imression that the Church was no longer wanting to associate itself with its Traditional teachings of the faculties implied by the word, "priest". But then again, as I say, I may be wrong in this.

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Re: How bad would a Novus Ordo Mass have to be to justify not attending? - by INPEFESS - 05-14-2009, 01:05 AM

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