Bp W Column, 5.30.09
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Quote:I also notice that you make no distinction in regard to the "Magisterium of the Popes", but often use the phrase in a vague manner and present quotes dealing with the "perfect and perpetual immunity of the Church from error and heresy"  as if everything an individual pope says, does or writes constitutes "the Church".

Why is that? Are you one of these devotees of so-called 'Living Tradition' that believe that whatever a pope writes or says cannot be in error?

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Read this again (with my emphasis):

"...in the Apostolic See the Catholic religion has always been kept undefiled, and her well known doctrine has been kept holy...knowing full well that this See of Saint Peter remains ever free from all blemish of errors, according to the divine promise of the Lord Our Saviour..."

We are talking about the teaching authority (magisterium) directly linked to Peter.  Can the Papal Magisterium defect in the teaching of faith and morals?  No.  Can Peter err in any other respect?  Yes, Peter can err in the "prudential order."  What does that mean?  Well, consult the work cited above on "Rupture Theology":  http://opuscula.blogspot.com/2009/05/on-...ology.html

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