Bishop Sanborn responds to the "rupture theology" article
(06-10-2009, 08:43 PM)newschoolman Wrote:
(06-10-2009, 08:38 PM)lamentabili sane Wrote:
(06-10-2009, 06:02 PM)newschoolman Wrote:
(06-10-2009, 05:43 PM)lamentabili sane Wrote:
(06-10-2009, 05:34 PM)newschoolman Wrote:
(06-10-2009, 05:04 PM)lamentabili sane Wrote:
(06-10-2009, 04:33 PM)newschoolman Wrote:
(06-10-2009, 02:29 PM)lamentabili sane Wrote: Oh, yes, that covers it. There is only a civil right to adhere to error.

No, there is no "right" founded on error.

There is a civil right to adhere to error.

"Ci Riesce" Wrote:"Above all, it must be clearly stated that no human authority, no state, no community of states, whatever be their religious character, can give a positive command or positive authorisation to teach or to do that which would be contrary to religious truth or moral good. Such a command or such an authorization would have no obligatory power and would remain without effect. No authority may give such a command, because it is contrary to nature to oblige the spirit and the will of man to error and evil, or to consider one or the other as indifferent. Not even God could give such a positive command or positive authorisation, because it would be in contradiction to His absolute truth and sanctity."

So God cannot do it...but the civil governments can? DH says that civil governments MUST.

No, rights are never founded on error.  Rights can exist in spite of error -- but never founded on error.

We aren't even talking about being "founded on error". DH demands a civil right to adhere to error.

No, it does not demand "rights for error".  Yet error does not cancel a right founded on another superior good.  I refer you again to the teaching found in the Catechism (CCC# 2108). 

DH demands a CIVIL right to adhere to error.

No, that is only your private interpretation of DH -- an interpretation that has been denounced by the teaching of the Church (CCC #2108).

This IS supposedly the teaching of the Church:

Quote:2. This Vatican Council declares that the human person has a right to religious freedom. This freedom means that all men are to be immune from coercion on the part of individuals or of social groups and of any human power, in such wise that no one is to be forced to act in a manner contrary to his own beliefs, whether privately or publicly, whether alone or in association with others, within due limits.

The council further declares that the right to religious freedom has its foundation in the very dignity of the human person as this dignity is known through the revealed word of God and by reason itself.(2) This right of the human person to religious freedom is to be recognized in the constitutional law whereby society is governed and thus it is to become a civil right.

You can't ignore what it actually says, schoolman. But that's your game, isn't it?


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Re: Bishop Sanborn responds to the "rupture theology" article - by lamentabili sane - 06-10-2009, 09:09 PM

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