Thoughts on Vatican II and a question for you
(07-26-2009, 06:00 PM)Credo Wrote:
James02 Wrote:If we had stayed militant, the USA would have been a completely Catholic country by 1960.

This is debatable. Nineteen-fifties Catholicism in America was largely external, in general.

Really? Isn't external religion a manifestation of the internal? I would say that the commandments were better kept in general in the 1950's, wouldn't you?

Quote:Firstly, consider that everyone involved in Vatican II, to a man, was trained in the wonderful 1920s, 30s, and 40s (including the highly influential American contingent). "Yes-men" were being consecrated bishops left and right,

Vatican II involved almost all the bishops. That does not mean they were all Modernists as many opposed the documents...this is documented. Many wanted The Blessed Virgin declared Mediatrix of all graces. The liberal and formerly silenced theologians came out of the woodwork in the Paul VI portion of the council.

Quote:catechism was largely rote memorization and the liturgy was not appreciated.

How would you suggest children learn their catechism?

Quote:We make a huge mistake to think that what we see at our SSPX or FSSP chapel nowadays is somehow a time capsule of what things were like in the first half of the twentieth century and before. This is not to say there weren't many souls striving for holiness in those days. Yet while American Christianity look nice statically in the 1950s, it was a weak house. A few gusts of challenge came from secularism and the whole structure went reeling. Does this justify a gutting of the customs of the Latin Rite, and an injection of liberalism? No, but we need to keep things in perspective.

The mistake is to think that SSPX and FSSP (or any other trad group) give us any more than a small fraction of what we had in the previous generations. The teaching sisters are gone. The authority structure is gone. The Catholic universities are gone. The seminaries are gone. The Catholic grade and high schools are no different that their secular counterparts. There is so much that is missing today that you don't even realize ... and this is manifest in your post above.

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Re: Thoughts on Vatican II and a question for you - by lamentabili sane - 07-26-2009, 08:26 PM

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