Thoughts on Vatican II and a question for you
(07-29-2009, 11:31 AM)iggyting Wrote: There is always a caesar in us.

??? This statement is very odd, iggy.  The power of government is in the hands of those whose responsibility it happens to be to govern.  Barack Obama, for example, has the power of government.  It was given to him secondarily by popular vote (i.e., the consent of the governed), but primarily by God.  Our founding documents profess the doctrine that Barack Obama primarily receives the power to govern from the consent of the governed!  This is a falsehood condemned by the anti-modernist popes.

(07-29-2009, 11:31 AM)iggyting Wrote: In asking whether the Church has betrayed itself is like Pilate asking Jesus whether he can be true to himself.

Anyone who understands what the Church teaches about Herself will know immediately that the Church Herself cannot betray Herself.  Also, when does Pilate ask Jesus "whether he can be true to Himself?"  That doesn't even really make sense...  Pilate asks Him what Truth is, not what you said.

(07-29-2009, 11:31 AM)iggyting Wrote: Is it happening now as it had happened during the Great Schism and the Reformation in the past?

Is what happening now?  That people are asking whether the Church can betray Herself?  Maybe.  But they are about to profess a heresy.  Anyone asking that question has forgotten that the Church can be betrayed by Her own.  Haven't they ever heard of Judas and Peter?  Haven't they ever heard of men like Paul VI who, without wanting or intending to, betrayed the Church?  Talk about the perfect example of the fallibility of men!

Iggy, no true Catholic can ever say that the Holy Spirit has abandoned the Church.  That is a heretical statement.  You cannot make THAT heretical statement equal with the statement that a pope can betray the Church willingly or unwillingly.  It's TOTALLY different.
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Re: Thoughts on Vatican II and a question for you - by Zakhur - 07-30-2009, 11:42 AM



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