Why was England so interested in conquering Ireland?
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(07-25-2009, 03:52 PM)Anastasia Wrote: It has always struck me as odd, though, the antipathy the Normans ( later the English) felt for Irish culture. The Statutes of Kilkenny (1200 or so, haven't checked the exact date in a while) forbid speaking Irish, dancing and music, every cultural feature they could think of. Now I'm not many of these laws completely succeeded, but why try so hard to erase their whole way of life? Why not be content with having conquered the place?
Why did the Russians try to outlaw Polish?  Why did the Romans outlaw the Druidic religion?  Basically, because they understood that so long as there was an Irish culture distinct from that of the Enlglish, that culture would become the center of rebellion.  At least, that's how I read it...
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bnofucus i hope your trying to justify the most horrible crimes the limeys did to the Irish? because that would be very divorced from reality and history.
what they did cannot be denied.
and thats why this is far far far from over.
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(07-25-2009, 12:05 PM)Bonifacius Wrote: Alaric,

Here are some sources to read about the Nazis' plans to annihilate both the Polish state and the Polish nation and to make Eastern Europe German:  http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster...tm#Further Reading
http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster...rticle.HTM

I am *not* approving of the website, whose positions on various matters I do not know.  I am only recommending the primary and secondary sources listed.  The second page provides the account of the Nazis' plans for the extinguishing of the Polish people.  The Soviets only wanted the Poles to be Communists, not for the Poles to cease to exist as a recognizable nationality.
There is much you do not realize about the goals of International Communism. They don't want anyone to retain their "nationality", they don't believe in sovereign nations or peoples. Also realise that much of Hitlers disputes with Poland went back to the conclusion of WW1 in which Poland and other nations illegally seized German lands and blamed her for the cause of the great war with a devastating bill to pay for it. Poland was on board for many of these things  which infuriated the National Socialists.
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(07-25-2009, 08:42 PM)alaric Wrote:
(07-25-2009, 12:05 PM)Bonifacius Wrote: Alaric,

Here are some sources to read about the Nazis' plans to annihilate both the Polish state and the Polish nation and to make Eastern Europe German:  http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster...tm#Further Reading
http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster...rticle.HTM

I am *not* approving of the website, whose positions on various matters I do not know.  I am only recommending the primary and secondary sources listed.  The second page provides the account of the Nazis' plans for the extinguishing of the Polish people.  The Soviets only wanted the Poles to be Communists, not for the Poles to cease to exist as a recognizable nationality.
There is much you do not realize about the goals of International Communism. They don't want anyone to retain their "nationality", they don't believe in sovereign nations or peoples. Also realise that much of Hitlers disputes with Poland went back to the conclusion of WW1 in which Poland and other nations illegally seized German lands and blamed her for the cause of the great war with a devastating bill to pay for it. Poland was on board for many of these things  which infuriated the National Socialists.

Just because Germany was unfairly treated did not justify its actions later on. 

Would unfair actions justify us committing crimes or mortal sins?  I don't think so.
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Alaric,

Yeah, the Bolsheviks were evil bastards.  They were allied with Hitler for two years when they split Poland between them, after all.  But you can't seem to comprehend the fact that the Bolsheviks never intended to *destroy the Polish nation as such.*  Communist ideology did not view the Poles as innately inferior to other races.  If you read up, you will see that the Nazis planned to eliminate Polish culture and the Polish people from the face of the earth.  If you are not willfully ignorant, you will read up and see this.  Did the Communists wish to annihilate Poland as a nation?  No.  Did the Nazis?  Yes.  They had a timeline on which they were going to kill off, deport, enslave, and/or forcefully "Germanize" different segments of the Polish population.  It was called Generalplan Ost.  Please face this fact and address it.  When the Communists conquered Poland, they did a great deal of evil, absolutely.  But to my knowledge they didn't murder the number of Polish bishops and priests that the Nazis did:  http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/martyr08.htm  They murdered the officers at Katyn, no doubt.  But Poland survived that.  The Germans wanted to grind Poland into such dust that it wouldn't survive.  They planned to colonize Poland with Germans.  Did the Soviets re-colonize Poland with Russians?  No.  They sent a number of Poles to Siberia, yes.  Awful, but not as bad as what the Nazis were doing.  At the end of WWII, the Polish state was over 95% of Polish ethnicity and Roman Catholic Faith.  With this sort of constitution, the Poles were able to outlive their evil, often Jewish-dominated Communist cronies.  The SS, etc., did not plan to tolerate a Polish nation to exist, period.  I know a Polish doctor who lived there, who was an Allied spy, and who later had to escape the Communists who'd listed him as a "bandit."  The Nazis closed all Polish schools above the most basic level.  Why?  They wanted to utterly destroy Polish culture and identity.  The Communists wanted to Bolshevize it, and they failed.  

And if you're going to say that the Bolsheviks are my heroes, then 1.) I say that's not the case, and 2.) why don't you go lick Hitler's boot strap.  If you're willing to take back saying that the Bolshies aree my heroes, I'll take back what I said about you and Hitler's bootstraps. 
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(07-25-2009, 08:40 PM)devotedknuckles Wrote: bnofucus i hope your trying to justify the most horrible crimes the limeys did to the Irish? because that would be very divorced from reality and history.
what they did cannot be denied.
and thats why this is far far far from over.

What crime did I deny?  Did I deny the Protestant settlements?  The enslavement and sending them to Barbados?  The massacres? The unjust wars against the Irish earls?  The persecution of the Church? The Famine?  The Blacks and Tans?  The bastards like Ian Paisley?  Did I deny any of those things? 
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#67
just keeping it real lad
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#68
"There is much you do not realize about the goals of International Communism. They don't want anyone to retain their "nationality", they don't believe in sovereign nations or peoples. Also realise that much of Hitlers disputes with Poland went back to the conclusion of WW1 in which Poland and other nations illegally seized German lands and blamed her for the cause of the great war with a devastating bill to pay for it. Poland was on board for many of these things  which infuriated the National Socialists."

And there is much you apparently do not realize about the goals of National Socialism.  They didn't recognize Slavs, particularly Poles, as being human like themselves.  They viewed them as slaves for the Reich at best, vermin to be exterminated at worst.  Were there legitimate grievances between Germans and Poles?  Yes, *absolutely.*  As hard as it may seem, I'm not coming at this as a lock-step-all-I-know-is-my-high-school's-Holocaust-class type.  But National Socialism was about far more than legitimate German grievances.  Their ideology would not have been content with a sort of Axis version of the Warsaw Pact that the Soviets forced upon Eastern Europe.  They wanted Poland gone, ground up, its language gone, its identity effaced.  Were the Communists *capable* of such things?  I cannot see them doing anything worse to the Poles than they did to the Russian people themselves.  The Nazis wanted to treat the Germans and Poles *vastly* differently.  Life and death differently. 
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(07-25-2009, 08:40 PM)devotedknuckles Wrote: bnofucus i hope your trying to justify the most horrible crimes the limeys did to the Irish? because that would be very divorced from reality and history.
what they did cannot be denied.
and thats why this is far far far from over.

"far far far from over" -- What do you propose?  Eye for an eye?  Go over and shoot *their* innocent lads?  No, that's not Christian. 

Besides, methinks the barrier to Irish unification isn't anyone in England so much as the actual Ulster Orangemen up there who don't want to reunite.  I don't see anything short of their conversion to Catholicism that would permit a peaceful, happy unification.  I mean, otherwise either the Republic is going to become more Protestant (and thus live up to the orange in its tricolor -- bleh, give me the St. Patrick's Cross any day over a flag with orange in it) or else those Prots aren't going to rejoin the Republic. 
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#70
if the brits wouldnt of stayed with the amry sas u name it the the prods would of went back to the union if they wanted or joined the republic or been killed.
simple really.
no i dont propose and i eyey for an eye but an eye for a life seems good int his regard.
they will not get away with this. cant u see this is not over?
open your eyes.
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