Why was England so interested in conquering Ireland?
#71
(07-25-2009, 09:15 PM)devotedknuckles Wrote: if the brits wouldnt of stayed with the amry sas u name it the the prods would of went back to the union if they wanted or joined the republic or been killed.
simple really.
no i dont propose and i eyey for an eye but an eye for a life seems good int his regard.
they will not get away with this. cant u see this is not over?
open your eyes.

You said that you were talking about *now* and I'm talking about *now.*  If the people of Ulster wanted to join the Republic, I doubt the English would stop them.  The bulk of the people of Ulster don't want to join the Republic and if you'd like to replace peaceful means of resolving the problems there with violent ones, well, may God either inspire you to reconsider or make your conquest as swift as it is relatively bloodless and the peace afterward remarkably easy given the circumstances. 

And in yet another irony of history, the British Army was initially sent into Northern Ireland *to protect the Catholics from the Unionists* (I'm sure you know that, DK, I'm just saying it for those who might not know).
Reply
#72
Oh, someone recommended the Wolfe Tones.  Might I recommend "Zombie" by the Cranberries?  Give peace a chance and all that . . .

Oh, and DK:  good job at keeping it real.  I mean that sincerely.  You mentioned the Irish American support for the IRA.  Yes, one of my catechism teachers in high school was an ardent Irish nationalist (and a theological liberal, surprise, surprise) who funded the IRA.  But Gaddafi was still important.  Say, aren't Sinn Fein and the IRA socialist/leftist?  Or is it just the case that everyone in Ireland is more or less socialist so this isn't so remarkable?  And I thought that they tried to distance themselves from being a "Catholic force" so much as being a secular movement in favor of nationalism and republicanism that just happened to draw most of its support from the Catholics? 

And I'd like to point out that the bishops of the Catholic Church frowned  upon Fenianism. 
Reply
#73
yeah sure the cramberries mine as well talk with me about u2. your point.
look
maybe u should just let the irish u know solve it and stop judging our means.
bugger offf now.
u clearly haven't a clue.
sip sip to u though>
sip sip
Reply
#74
(07-25-2009, 09:37 PM)devotedknuckles Wrote: yeah sure the cramberries mine as well talk with me about u2. your point.
look
maybe u should just let the irish u know solve it and stop judging our means.
bugger offf now.
u clearly haven't a clue.
sip sip to u though>
sip sip

Funny, I thought it was kind of the prerogative of the person who started the thread to issue statements like "bugger off."  From the sounds of it, the vast majority of your countrymen, oh and your Church disapprove of the means that you seem to endorse.  Their judgment is good enough for me. 
Reply
#75
yeah well.
whatever.
sip sip
TIOCFAIDH AR LA!!!!!!!!
Reply
#76
I have often wondered why the Spanish did not try to invade Ireland rather than England in 1588, where they could have conquered relatively easily and enjoyed the support of, say, 98% of the population.
[/quote]

So have I. Its what I would have done taken Ireland then launch an invasion of England With Spanish forces Irish forces and the Duke of Parma's forces. England would have crumbled right into their bubble and squeak. An would have been turned Catholic again.
Reply
#77
(07-25-2009, 08:48 PM)Bonifacius Wrote: Alaric,

Yeah, the Bolsheviks were evil bastards.  They were allied with Hitler for two years when they split Poland between them, after all.  But you can't seem to comprehend the fact that the Bolsheviks never intended to *destroy the Polish nation as such.*  Communist ideology did not view the Poles as innately inferior to other races.  If you read up, you will see that the Nazis planned to eliminate Polish culture and the Polish people from the face of the earth.  If you are not willfully ignorant, you will read up and see this.  Did the Communists wish to annihilate Poland as a nation?  No.  Did the Nazis?  Yes.  They had a timeline on which they were going to kill off, deport, enslave, and/or forcefully "Germanize" different segments of the Polish population.  It was called Generalplan Ost.  Please face this fact and address it.  When the Communists conquered Poland, they did a great deal of evil, absolutely.  But to my knowledge they didn't murder the number of Polish bishops and priests that the Nazis did:  http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/martyr08.htm  They murdered the officers at Katyn, no doubt.  But Poland survived that.  The Germans wanted to grind Poland into such dust that it wouldn't survive.  They planned to colonize Poland with Germans.  Did the Soviets re-colonize Poland with Russians?  No.  They sent a number of Poles to Siberia, yes.  Awful, but not as bad as what the Nazis were doing.  At the end of WWII, the Polish state was over 95% of Polish ethnicity and Roman Catholic Faith.  With this sort of constitution, the Poles were able to outlive their evil, often Jewish-dominated Communist cronies.  The SS, etc., did not plan to tolerate a Polish nation to exist, period.  I know a Polish doctor who lived there, who was an Allied spy, and who later had to escape the Communists who'd listed him as a "bandit."  The Nazis closed all Polish schools above the most basic level.  Why?  They wanted to utterly destroy Polish culture and identity.  The Communists wanted to Bolshevize it, and they failed.  

And if you're going to say that the Bolsheviks are my heroes, then 1.) I say that's not the case, and 2.) why don't you go lick Hitler's boot strap.  If you're willing to take back saying that the Bolshies aree my heroes, I'll take back what I said about you and Hitler's bootstraps. 
what's the proof of all this planned "genocide" and enslavement of ethnic Poles by Germany during WW2 through some dark secret order (Generalplan Ost) in which they have no verifiable document or official operation or order from the Reich concerning such a massive undertaking other than the forced confessions through inhumane torture during the Nuremburg trials. At least we know exactly what the commies did through their actions and oppression and persecution of the Poles (including a future pope) for many years after the war.All this conjecture and analyzing about what the Nazi's "intended" to do is mere speculation and that's all we hear, year after year about what those evil Germans would've done if they won the war, meanwhile we witnessed for a fact just what Stalin and the reds did to eastern Europe for many years including persecuting and infiltrating the Church, ban Bibles and close parishes.Communism is in direct conflict with all organized religions, ethnicity's, and national states.The goal is a worldwide Godless, atheist, raceless, borderless, state of the masses.

As far as your Hitler comment, I could care less, I don't worship men, he had his faults and made some major mistakes during the war, but one thing he had was balls to name his enemy and stand against them to the end, something that most leaders today couldn't fathom for a second.
Reply
#78
c'mon alaric dont u know the jews say so, so it must be.
no proof needed.
sip sip
Reply
#79
(07-25-2009, 11:52 PM)devotedknuckles Wrote: c'mon alaric dont u know the jews say so, so it must be.
no proof needed.
sip sip
I guess I'm more alligned with Bishop Williamson on this one.
Reply
#80
Alaric,

***And we saw what the Nazis did in Eastern Europe too!!!*** But you choose to ignore that.  Ask any Pole what it was like living under the Nazis.  It wasn't better than living under the Communists.  What's your evidence that Generalplan Ost was the product of "forced confessions"?  The official responsible for the plan testified as to what the plan was.  Why should we believe him?  Because it fits the absolute disdain for innocent Slavic life that the Nazis showed in their conquest of Poland and their extermination of the Polish intelligentsia and mass numbers of laborers.  Ya ever heard of St. Maximilian Kolbe?  Or those 108 Martyrs whose biographies I linked to above? The Nazis did implement a number of the plans -- such as Operation Tannenberg.  I am willing to acknowledge both Nazi and Communist depravities. They both murdered millions of innocent people in pursuit of stupid, evil goals. You focus solely on the latter. 

And two of Hitler's major enemies were the Vicars of Christ, Popes Pius XI and XII.  And another one was Engelbert Dollfuss, the brave Austrian patriot and Catholic assassinated by Nazi thugs. 
Reply




Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)