Why was England so interested in conquering Ireland?
(07-25-2009, 01:03 AM)iggyting Wrote: Is it right to say that the English vs Irish 'snub' had two distinct phases - before and after the Reformation? The former on solely cultural and ethnical differences, the latter, mainly on religious differences? Or is there more to it?

That seems fair in general terms, I'd say.  There were the Catholic "Old English" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_English_(Ireland) and the Protestant "New English."  It's also true that direct English rule was quite limited before the Tudor period.  This map shows how little of Ireland was under Crown rule, how much under Norman lords, and how much ruled by natives:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pale  That's for the year 1450. It should be noted that Dublin was a Norse area (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse-Gaels) before it became English, so it's not as though the native Irish really lost much when the Crown took it.   Here's a map for 1300:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Www.we...ap1300.gif  If the maps are accurate, the native Irish were gaining territory.  Now, when the English came back as Prots, they consolidated rule over the whole island and sent in Protestant Scots (like some of my Quaker and Calvinist ancestors) to supplant the natives in Ulster.  They also promoted the heretical Anglican "Church of  Ireland" and stole churches, etc.

And let's not forget Irish loyalty to the originally Scottish Stuart dynasty.  The Irish loved those kings. 

Oh, and I forgot two more Norman conquests.  At one point, they invaded papal Rome and burnt part of the city.  Some also participated in the First Crusade and thus participated in the Christian reconquest of the Holy Land and the rest of the Levant. 

:tiphat: Schmendrick

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Re: Why was England so interested in conquering Ireland? - by Bonifacius - 07-25-2009, 04:56 AM

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