Dorothy Day,Distributism,etc
#11
Quis that is a strange avatar and vaguely erotic in a kind of three legged Ballet Dancer in a Tutu way.

If I was a card carrying member of Tradition in Action I'd probably find an interesting conspircy to it.  But I am not.  So what is it?
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#12
It's the symbol of our neighbours across the sea...  il sorriso che fa ritornare, la Montagna di cui senti il cuore!
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#13
CI!
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#14
(07-27-2009, 12:38 PM)Belloc Wrote:
(07-27-2009, 12:35 PM)Melita Wrote: Should there be an economics sub-forum? It would make things easier.

well. could be, but for those that really want to support and discuss Distributism:

http://pub22.bravenet.com/forum/1860038784
or

http://pub22.bravenet.com/forum/1860038784

Easier to ignore.  It is a little disturbing that some seem to think this particular theory is a benchmark of the faith.  When one or two names only post the same sort of articles and rarely respond to rebuttals it become quite clear it is an agenda.

The No Salvation Outside My Opinion Dogma makes someone a very tiresome fellow.  Since a real debate is not required or wanted I recommend a corner all to yourself.

I do not mean to offend but there is little attempt to defend aspects of this theory seriously.  I like some aspects of it and find much of it troublesome.  The only time I got into some debate on this matter it was an article that was clearly a National Socialist source, complete with images glorifying Hitler.  And even then they took offence that I noticed and have come to the conclusion Distributionist are basically Socialist at the roots.  They chose a poor thread to do so, since the source of the article was clearly and openly Socialist.

Otherwise no defense just one way dictation of opinion.

Hardly a good reason to reject a common link with Socialism.

I will never be able to move my opinion from “Like some aspects with serious doubts” to a more favorable opinion with such defenders.  So much with the Saint Thomas of Aquinas methodology.

JMJ
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#15
(07-27-2009, 05:23 PM)MitOS Wrote:
(07-27-2009, 12:38 PM)Belloc Wrote:
(07-27-2009, 12:35 PM)Melita Wrote: Should there be an economics sub-forum? It would make things easier.

well. could be, but for those that really want to support and discuss Distributism:

http://pub22.bravenet.com/forum/1860038784
or

http://pub22.bravenet.com/forum/1860038784

Easier to ignore.  It is a little disturbing that some seem to think this particular theory is a benchmark of the faith.  When one or two names only post the same sort of articles and rarely respond to rebuttals it become quite clear it is an agenda.

The No Salvation Outside My Opinion Dogma makes someone a very tiresome fellow.  Since a real debate is not required or wanted I recommend a corner all to yourself.

I do not mean to offend but there is little attempt to defend aspects of this theory seriously.  I like some aspects of it and find much of it troublesome.  The only time I got into some debate on this matter it was an article that was clearly a National Socialist source, complete with images glorifying Hitler.  And even then they took offence that I noticed and have come to the conclusion Distributionist are basically Socialist at the roots.   They chose a poor thread to do so, since the source of the article was clearly and openly Socialist.

Otherwise no defense just one way dictation of opinion.

Hardly a good reason to reject a common link with Socialism.

I will never be able to move my opinion from “Like some aspects with serious doubts” to a more favorable opinion with such defenders.  So much with the Saint Thomas of Aquinas methodology.

JMJ


Well said. 
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#16
Ditto.  I'm not aware of any papal encyclical that mentions the word distributism. 
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#17
(07-27-2009, 04:53 PM)ggreg Wrote: Quis that is a strange avatar and vaguely erotic in a kind of three legged Ballet Dancer in a Tutu way.

If I was a card carrying member of Tradition in Action I'd probably find an interesting conspircy to it.  But I am not.  So what is it?

The Trinacria - it represents Sicily.

http://www.sicilianculture.com/folklore/trinacria.htm

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#18
Distributism:  Where every worker is paid more than the average wage.
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#19
The problem I have with Distributism and Coops, and like things, is that you never get a Distributist who posts like this: "Hello, I am a Distributist.  I set up a company based on these principles and it has been really great.  The workers love it, we are producing like wild, and it has been very successful.  Let me share with you what I did and the pitfuls I overcame, etc...etc...".

You see, no one is keeping them from setting up the Distributist farm, or forming a guild, or setting up a co-op.  So why don't they go and do it?  You get the sneaking suspicion that the reason is the CAN'T do it.  They want to point a gun at the producers and force them to set up a co-op, or guild, or give them a small farm, or some other form of violence or looting.

To repeat, if all of this was so great, why aren't they doing it?  I'm open minded, but I demand one thing:  SHOW ME!  Don't just babble about it.  Do it and show us the benefits.  If it is so great, why isn't it widespread?
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#20
(07-28-2009, 02:08 AM)James02 Wrote: The problem I have with Distributism and Coops, and like things, is that you never get a Distributist who posts like this: "Hello, I am a Distributist.  I set up a company based on these principles and it has been really great.  The workers love it, we are producing like wild, and it has been very successful.  Let me share with you what I did and the pitfuls I overcame, etc...etc...".

You see, no one is keeping them from setting up the Distributist farm, or forming a guild, or setting up a co-op.  So why don't they go and do it?  You get the sneaking suspicion that the reason is the CAN'T do it.  They want to point a gun at the producers and force them to set up a co-op, or guild, or give them a small farm, or some other form of violence or looting.

To repeat, if all of this was so great, why aren't they doing it?  I'm open minded, but I demand one thing:  SHOW ME!  Don't just babble about it.  Do it and show us the benefits.  If it is so great, why isn't it widespread?


Agreed.  I've asked similar questions around here, being openminded about it, because, honestly, I admire people like Chesteron and Belloc in many ways.  I never got an answer as to "who" is going to distribute, e.g.  In fact, I think capitalism (not to quarrel over terms) has done a pretty good job of putting at least wealth (if not capital) into a lot of hands, certainly a better job than socialism or communism or the central planning systems advocated in the US in the last number of months.  There is a reason why so many people came to the US over the last +150 years from places around the world, and still do, or are still trying to.  It isn't because we have Green Public Transportation or The New York Times
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