Define "Neo-Con"
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(07-28-2009, 06:02 PM)Scipio_a Wrote:
(07-28-2009, 05:26 PM)QuisUtDeus Wrote:
(07-28-2009, 04:07 PM)Scipio_a Wrote:
(07-28-2009, 03:16 PM)QuisUtDeus Wrote: So is Steve a pseudo-trad in your book?
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Could be...I know he had (has?) an irregular situation with family not wanting to go trad so that's a tough one...which is nice cause it shows not everyone falls neatly into a category.

Well, I'm asking you to be intellectually honest with the category you have made yourself.  You say that a pseudo-trad is one who goes to the Novus Ordo from time-to-time.  You also say Steve goes to the Novus Ordo from time-to-time.  So unless there is a distinctive qualifier that you have left out, it seems like you would think Steve is a pseudo-trad, and that is why you think people here should see him as a friend (i.e., ally) - because he falls in the same "non-full-trad" bucket as others, correct?

That is not the def I had given to the term, it is one of the things they do (heck, under my def they could attend the TLM only!).  He does NO and so I can say "could be"...but that's as far as I know with him so I can't pin it down...doesn't get any more intel honest than that...

In the past I have said that what I call a pseudo trad is one that just thinks the TLM is a choice among equal choices (or something to that effect)

And not "people" here (as in all) just several of his detractors...that was pretty clear in the first post.

Heck he might classify me as neo-trad due to my deep rooted authority issue (depends on what authority we're talking about).

So all in all he could be.  If he writes something that says that the TLM is a choice among equals then...well you know, it's black and white.  But it would have to be current since there has been a journey, so to speak, I would not take a quote from 2008 from him about the issue at face value since it may have changed.

Look, it's a simple question, but I will be happy to make it clearer and also give my reason for asking.

You said:

Quote:I call pseudo trads because they are willing to NO from time to time or even regularly

You gave your criteria for calling someone a pseudo-trad.  You call them X because they do Y.

You also said:

Quote:Stevus NOs also,

Which is your statement that he does Y.

And you further said:

Quote:so they should see a friend, not an enemy.

That last statement is what I find interesting, and why I want to give you the chance to be clear so that I can understand what you are saying.

You seem to think that the people that he calls Neo-Trads should look upon him as an ally because in reality he and the others on here who also go to the NO are pseudo-trads.  You further seem to think the only difference between Steve and them is they don't want to wear veils (I accept that as a vague metaphor pointing to Steve's "Neo-Trad" criteria, obviously).

I don't understand your view of this, and that is why I am asking.

So to reiterate and ask a few more questions:

1) Is Steve a pseudo-trad given your own criteria?

2) If so, is the only difference between Steve and other pseudo-trads the criteria he gives (which you seem to accept with the metaphor of the veiling) as "Neo-Trad"?

3) And if so, why do you think the commonality in Pseudo-Traddom outweighs the differences of Neo-Traddom such that the two groups should be allies?  Because it seems to me that the differences are such that the Neo-Trads and non-Neo-Trad Trads (by Steve's criteria) are irreconcilable.

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Messages In This Thread
Define "Neo-Con" - by OCLittleFlower - 07-27-2009, 05:10 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by DarkKnight - 07-27-2009, 05:49 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by timoose - 07-27-2009, 07:21 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by SCG - 07-27-2009, 07:25 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by DarkKnight - 07-27-2009, 11:51 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Marc - 07-28-2009, 01:21 AM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Marc - 07-28-2009, 04:18 AM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by James02 - 07-28-2009, 04:37 AM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by matthew_talbot - 07-28-2009, 07:15 AM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Scipio_a - 07-28-2009, 09:05 AM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by JacafamalaRedux - 07-28-2009, 10:33 AM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Historian - 07-28-2009, 10:39 AM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Master_P - 07-28-2009, 11:29 AM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by timoose - 07-28-2009, 11:31 AM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by veritatem_dilexisti - 07-28-2009, 11:41 AM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by timoose - 07-28-2009, 12:07 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by epalinurus - 07-28-2009, 12:25 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Historian - 07-28-2009, 03:16 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Historian - 07-28-2009, 03:18 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Scipio_a - 07-28-2009, 04:07 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by James02 - 07-28-2009, 04:27 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by DarkKnight - 07-28-2009, 05:05 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Historian - 07-28-2009, 05:26 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Scipio_a - 07-28-2009, 06:02 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Historian - 07-28-2009, 06:19 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by JacafamalaRedux - 07-28-2009, 07:54 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Historian - 07-28-2009, 08:35 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by JacafamalaRedux - 07-28-2009, 08:48 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Historian - 07-28-2009, 09:00 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Scipio_a - 07-28-2009, 09:06 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Historian - 07-28-2009, 09:12 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by SCG - 07-28-2009, 09:14 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Scipio_a - 07-28-2009, 09:15 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Historian - 07-28-2009, 09:37 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Historian - 07-28-2009, 09:43 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Scipio_a - 07-28-2009, 09:50 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Historian - 07-28-2009, 10:36 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Scipio_a - 07-29-2009, 01:27 AM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Historian - 07-29-2009, 04:47 AM



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