Define "Neo-Con"
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(07-28-2009, 09:14 PM)StrictCatholicGirl Wrote: If we must use labels, I think a "pseudo-trad" might be someone who loves only those parts of tradition that are attractive and easy to him. A "pseudo-trad" might be someone who puts "form over substance" instead of "substance over form" - or rather, someone who fails to realize that the right substance encourages the right form.

Well, I was trying to discern what Scipio meant by the term, though I think yours is more intuitive for sure.

Quote:On a wider scale, you have Catholics in general who embrace only those parts of the Faith that are easy. We have labeled them "Cafeteria Catholics" because to say "pseudo-Catholics" seems an oversimplification. For the same reason, "pseudo-trad" seems an oversimplification. We can never know the complexities turning over inside the hearts and minds of Catholics, or the demands of their life-circumstances, regardless of the Mass they attend.

Actually, Cafeteria Catholic makes more sense.  It is someone who picks and chooses what they will accept (as at a cafeteria) instead of accepting what is handed to them (as at a formal dinner).  This has to do with Dogma.

Since there is no Dogma defining a "traditional Catholic", it can make sense, but not necessarily.

Quote:From what I remember of Stevus' posts he attended the Novus Ordo Mass because his wife did. He himself hated it. That would not make him a "pseudo-trad" in my book. That would just make him a husband who's trying his best to keep the peace in his marriage. Anyway that's how I interpreted it.

Well, I thought he was going to Mass separate from his wife.  As I recall, he went to the SSPX and his wife went to the Novus Ordo and/or was in or considering Opus Dei or something like that.

Quote:Now, according to Stevus' blog, Neo-traditionalism and false-traditionalism are one in the same. He sees Fifties Catholicism as the "Golden Age" of the Church and anyone who challenges that idea is given a nasty label. That's a lot different from saying you have a Dominican spirituality and I have a Franciscan spirituality. In the latter, we are acknowledging our different paths to God and allowing each other to coexist without questioning each other's Catholicity. Not so with the mudslingers.   

I didn't say Stevus' label was useful, though it could probably made to be so.  For example, Neo-Catholic and Traditional Catholic can be useful and not for mudslinging.  One group supports the reform-of-the-reform and the other supports a return to pre-Vatican II liturgies, etc.  It's only when someone decides in their own minds to say Neo-Catholic = Modernist and Traditional Catholic = Schismatic that the labels become ugly and also outright lies.
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Define "Neo-Con" - by OCLittleFlower - 07-27-2009, 05:10 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by DarkKnight - 07-27-2009, 05:49 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by timoose - 07-27-2009, 07:21 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by SCG - 07-27-2009, 07:25 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by DarkKnight - 07-27-2009, 11:51 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Marc - 07-28-2009, 01:21 AM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Marc - 07-28-2009, 04:18 AM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by James02 - 07-28-2009, 04:37 AM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by matthew_talbot - 07-28-2009, 07:15 AM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Scipio_a - 07-28-2009, 09:05 AM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by JacafamalaRedux - 07-28-2009, 10:33 AM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Historian - 07-28-2009, 10:39 AM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Master_P - 07-28-2009, 11:29 AM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by timoose - 07-28-2009, 11:31 AM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by veritatem_dilexisti - 07-28-2009, 11:41 AM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by timoose - 07-28-2009, 12:07 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by epalinurus - 07-28-2009, 12:25 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Historian - 07-28-2009, 03:16 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Historian - 07-28-2009, 03:18 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Scipio_a - 07-28-2009, 04:07 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by James02 - 07-28-2009, 04:27 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by DarkKnight - 07-28-2009, 05:05 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Historian - 07-28-2009, 05:26 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Scipio_a - 07-28-2009, 06:02 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Historian - 07-28-2009, 06:19 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by JacafamalaRedux - 07-28-2009, 07:54 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Historian - 07-28-2009, 08:35 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by JacafamalaRedux - 07-28-2009, 08:48 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Historian - 07-28-2009, 09:00 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Scipio_a - 07-28-2009, 09:06 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Historian - 07-28-2009, 09:12 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by SCG - 07-28-2009, 09:14 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Scipio_a - 07-28-2009, 09:15 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Historian - 07-28-2009, 09:37 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Historian - 07-28-2009, 09:43 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Scipio_a - 07-28-2009, 09:50 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Historian - 07-28-2009, 10:36 PM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Scipio_a - 07-29-2009, 01:27 AM
Re: Define "Neo-Con" - by Historian - 07-29-2009, 04:47 AM



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