Why do so many Catholics drop the ball when it comes to EENS?
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Quote: Well certainly we are all predestined for heaven - to think otherwise makes God out to be a very mean God. After all, the very reason He made us is to know love and serve him here so we can be happy with him in Heaven.

Certainly "God desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth" but we have to put forth some effort or we should expect to face God's wrath when we meet Him.
This is not true.  If we were all predestined for heaven, we would all go to heaven.  The reason God is not a "very mean" God is because He also gives us free will.  This is the main problem with Calvinists.  They DO believe that God is Moloch since they deny free will.  To them, God creates the reprobate to damn them.  To sum up:
1. All of us deserve damnation.  We are a fallen race.  Now "damnation" might mean happiness in Limbo, or torments in the pit of hell, but in all cases, none of us can deserve the Beatific vision.
2.  Those who are predestined to election are given Graces and fitted into God's sovereign plan so that we will be baptized.  There might be another way to be saved, but this has never been revealed to us.
3.  Those who are not saved, either rejected God's Grace, or perhaps WOULD have rejected God's Grace and been in worse torment.  We don't know, and can't know.
4.  When we have Faith, or do Good Works, it is a mystery.  We have and do these from the Grace of God.  At the same time, our Free Will cooperates with this Grace. How this works is a mystery on the same level as the Incarnation or the Trinity.
Quote:This effort is one of the "works" Calvin denies - and is of which James speaks: For even as the body without the spirit is dead; so also faith without works is dead. and Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only?
We weren't discussing "Faith" vs. "Works".  We were discussing Grace, which is necessary for both "Faith" and "Works" of Charity.
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Re: Why do so many Catholics drop the ball when it comes to EENS? - by James02 - 08-07-2009, 01:22 AM



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