Vesting Prayers for a Bishop?
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Father obeys the rules of the forum.  He is allowed a link to his website in his signature.  He participates appropriately, offers his knowledge that most others would not have, and does not cause problems.  So, he is welcome to be here as long as he is so inclined.

I think one is deceiving one's self if they think a post on a forum would change Father's theological position.  Abp. Lefebvre couldn't do it, Father's peers couldn't do it; the repeated e-mails that I'm sure Father gets doesn't do it, debates don't do it.  So, it seems to me that setting one's self up as a Knight of the Crusade on a white stallion charging in to save the day results in nothing more than being Don Quixote on a donkey tilting at a windmill.

I'm not saying this about this particular post, but  I'm also not convinced that a lot of "fraternal correction" is rooted in charity, which is where fraternal correction needs to be rooted, as much as it is rooted in personal outrage at sin.  Fraternal correction rooted in charity shows a concern for the soul of the person more than an outrage at their sin.  Obviously, we should have a just outrage at sin - as opposed to personal indignation, but the outrage really belongs to God and our primary job is to help the person get back on the right path.  Usually admonishing someone for (paraphrasing) being in league with Satan isn't going to motivate them to change.

Using fraternal correction as an excuse to attack something one does not like, even if it is objectively sinful, is just making an excuse for one's behavior, and that is just as foul as using a personal erroneous reading of Scripture to justify some other type of boorish behavior.  Our primary motivation must be the good of the person we are correcting and/or the common good.  Our motivation must be completely pure or we are bringing the metaphorical hot coals down upon our heads.

There is also the fact that Father is in fact a priest and there is zero doubt about the validity of his orders, so his office and authority deserves a due deference.  So, all-in-all,I think this type of "fraternal correction" puts someone in a precarious situation, and, also, it is out of place on this forum.

Bottom line: this type of "correction" has no place on the forum.  If one feels, in my opinion imprudently and foolishly, motivated to give this type of "correction" please do it in e-mail or PM. 

Here are some good guidelines for what type of fraternal correction is appropriate, by whom, and when.  It might be useful for all of us to review them.


"Colin B. Donovan, STL" Wrote:There is also what is called  fraternal correction. This means correction of faults by private individuals who do not have an official duty to correct. In the Church this would include such peer to peer correction as priest to priest, or laity to laity, as well as the correction of the clergy by the laity, or higher clergy by lower.

The following principles on fraternal correction are derived from the moral theology tradition of the Church:

    Who should correct? Fraternal correction should be given by someone with the requisite knowledge and temperament to give it correctly and effectively. Those whose response to sin is to be scandalized and become ill-tempered are probably NOT the ones to give fraternal correction. They will give it badly, and therefore ineffectively.

    What should be corrected? We are obligated to correct grave sins, and grave liturgical abuses are the matter of grave sins, if the following conditions are met:

        1. It is not likely that the sinner will be corrected, either by acquiring the knowledge himself, or by the correction of an equally or better qualified person than myself. In other words, he is unlikely to be corrected by his superior, by his peers, or by a better qualified person than me.

        2. There is a well-founded hope that the sinner will profit from the correction. If such a hope does not exist then correction is not morally obliged, except when to not correct would itself give scandal.

        3. Correction can be given without great personal detriment. While those in authority have a duty to correct grave faults, private individuals do not have such a duty if giving correction entails great cost to themselves.

    We may prudently correct outside of these conditions, but observing them guarantees the probity of our fraternal correction. Correction of each and every venial sin (or all minor abuses) is clearly not envisioned by the moral tradition of the Church. One should weigh the gravity and the circumstances carefully. As I have often counseled people, pick the gravest abuses and start there. If you can’t have an impact on those the possibilities are slim to none for the rest.

    Where should it be given? Following the order commanded by Christ in Mt. 18, fraternal correction should be given privately to the individual himself, then by a number of individuals together in private, and only publicly as a last resort. Immediate public correction is justified , however, where the common good is at stake and immediacy is necessary to avoid scandal, or, where the fault is a public one and private correction would be manifestly ineffective.

    When should it be given? Circumstances can make or break the effectiveness of fraternal correction. Prudence requires making the best judgment about when and how to give correction. An anonymous flyer on the windshields of cars in the church parking lot, or an angry voice mail, is unlikely to work. Pick a time, a place, and a manner with prayer, whether a letter, a private conversation, the gift of a book on the subject or some other means. Within families especially, fraternal correction is often undone by the vehemence and imprudence of how it is given.

    How should it be given? One should maintain the order of justice oneself by treating the other person with respect, especially if in authority, and the order of charity by giving the correction in a Christian manner, regardless of the response of the other. This insures that the one giving correction does not sin in the process, and provides the best chance that the correction will produce fruit. Otherwise, it is “a resounding gong or a clashing cymbal” (1 Cor. 13:13).
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Vesting Prayers for a Bishop? - by Historian - 09-12-2009, 04:14 PM
Re: Vesting Prayers for a Bishop? - by augusztina - 09-12-2009, 09:24 PM
Re: Vesting Prayers for a Bishop? - by Historian - 09-13-2009, 12:10 AM
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