Priestly Vows of Obedience
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(11-04-2009, 02:33 PM)Rosarium Wrote:
(11-04-2009, 02:31 PM)nsper7 Wrote: When a person receives Holy Orders and becomes a Priest, they make certain vows, especially a vow of obedience? Who are they vowing to obey? My understanding is that they are promising to obey their Bishop (if they are Diocesan) or their Superior (if they are religious). Therefore, as it relates to the Traditional issues, aren't Priests still required to obey their Bishop (and the Church in general)? For example, the Church has deemed the NO Mass valid and the Ordinary Form, therefore aren't Latin Rite Priests required to celebrate it if there Bishop so desires it?

It seems like if you are a Priest, then you are required to obey your superiors (either Diocesan or religious) and you are always required to adhere to Canon Law, correct?

Your intent is clear;  Counselor Troi is not needed.

God is always first when it comes to obedience.

As for Canon law, it does allow for "disobedience" when it is necessary.

Obeying superiors is a grave duty of a Christian (for all). Even the commands of an angel or saint are inferior to those of a superior. The vows are also superior. In the records of a certain saint's reception of an apparition of Our Lady, his order had a special prayer time, and the bell rang and he had to leave. When he returned, he was told if he had not followed his vow, he would never again have seen her.

However, the Church has many humans in it, and there are times when "disobedience" is necessary to be true to one's vow.

You're only permitted to defy an order from a superior if the superior is commanding to sin.  So unless you view the it as a sin to say the Novus Ordo, then a priest would be bound to say it if a superior commanded them (although this begs the question how you could think the Pope is legitimate if he's promulgating a sinful liturgy).

I'm a diocesan seminarian, and God willing, I hope to be a diocesan priest one day.  Do I think the traditional Mass is superior to the new Mass in many respects?  Yes.  Will I say the NO regardless?  Yes.  A man is not called to be a priest for himself, but for the Church.  My superiors (up to the Pope himself) deem that the new Mass is the ordinary form of worship, and I consent to that.  I'm not going to spread discord by defying my bishop and only saying the EF (I'm quite sure stubbornness like that is grounds for reprimand and kissing any chance of being a pastor good bye).

In addition, we're taught at the seminary that obedience isn't just "lip service", just as celibacy isn't a refusal to marry someone and prayer isn't "getting in what's required".  The priestly promises/vows are supposed to be life-giving to the priest.  We're supposed to find joy and happiness in celibacy.  We're suppose to drink up the sweet treasures of the Office.  And we're supposed to humbly, willfully, and lovingly respect orders that are given to us.  Can you disagree with your superior's decision?  Yes.  Can you think that you might be better elsewhere?  Yes.  Could you tell him all your strengths, and try to convince him why you'd be better in so-and-so?  Yes.  But at the end of the day, will you obey even if he disregards everything?  I hope I could say yes...If Christ was obedient to the point of death, then I hope I can obey the one whom He's given authority.  The command might as well have come from Christ Himself.
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Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 02:31 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 02:33 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 02:39 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 02:43 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 02:44 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 02:46 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 02:48 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by jonkknox - 11-04-2009, 02:50 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 03:07 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by glgas - 11-04-2009, 03:59 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by jovan66102 - 11-04-2009, 04:07 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 04:14 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 04:15 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 04:22 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 04:25 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 04:29 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 04:36 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by goggleeyes - 11-04-2009, 04:38 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 05:30 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 05:33 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by goggleeyes - 11-04-2009, 05:41 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 05:44 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 05:52 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 06:00 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 06:08 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 06:18 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by jonkknox - 11-04-2009, 06:40 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 06:54 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 06:59 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 07:04 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 07:15 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 07:33 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by franklinf - 11-04-2009, 07:41 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 07:46 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 07:46 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 07:47 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 07:50 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 07:53 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by franklinf - 11-04-2009, 07:56 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 07:58 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 08:05 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 08:06 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 08:10 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 08:13 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 08:16 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 08:20 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 08:22 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by jovan66102 - 11-04-2009, 08:59 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 09:01 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by jovan66102 - 11-04-2009, 09:05 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 09:10 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 09:15 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by jovan66102 - 11-04-2009, 09:19 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 09:22 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 09:28 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by jovan66102 - 11-04-2009, 09:33 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 09:35 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 09:35 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 09:37 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by jovan66102 - 11-04-2009, 09:41 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 09:45 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 10:00 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-05-2009, 01:36 AM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-05-2009, 02:11 AM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-05-2009, 04:15 AM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-05-2009, 12:08 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-05-2009, 12:51 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-05-2009, 12:53 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Texican - 11-05-2009, 10:56 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by SinfullyLate - 11-10-2009, 12:19 AM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-10-2009, 01:55 AM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by SinfullyLate - 11-10-2009, 03:33 AM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-10-2009, 04:20 AM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by SinfullyLate - 11-10-2009, 04:56 AM



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