Priestly Vows of Obedience
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(11-10-2009, 03:33 AM)SinfullyLate Wrote:
(11-10-2009, 01:55 AM)nsper7 Wrote:
(11-10-2009, 12:19 AM)SinfullyLate Wrote: nsper, have you ever thought that if you had been a priest 50 - 100 years ago you would have been considered by the majority of the church as dangerously liberal at best or a raving heretic at worst? Has right and wrong changed so much?

Would I have? After all, all I am advocating here obedience to the Church and its chief Shepherd, the Pope. I advocate showing respect to members of the hierarchy. Are you saying that 50-100 years ago, being disobedient would have been viewed as a positive?

Your support for innovations in both liturgy and issues of faith is what would have had you investigated for heresy.

You often speak of obedience to the Popes, but what about obedience to Popes such as Pope St Pius X with his condemnation of modernism?

If by innovations of liturgy, you mean the Novus Ordo--remember that that is the Ordinary Form of the Latin Rite as promulgated by Pope Paul VI. In terms of what St. Pius X would say if he were alive now, I don't know, but he is not the current Pope, Benedict XVI is and I am obedient to him. If I were alive in the time when St. Pius X was the Pope, then I would have been obedient to him.

In terms of the condemnation of modernism:

1) What did St. Pius X mean by 'modernism'?
2) How have modern Popes advocated this condemned 'modernism'?
3) What extenuating and other circumstances might alter the meaning behind the words of St. Pius X vs. one of the more recent Popes (i.e. when the Syllabus of Errors condemned the concept of religious freedom, remember that there was the existence of the Papal States and countries that were Catholic-controlled and fighting against secularizing influences and thus promoting religious freedom would be detrimental to the stability and security of these Catholic countries and, thus, Catholicism itself; now, when Vatican 2 discussed the issue of religious freedom, there were no, or very few, truly Catholic-controlle countries anymore and many that were stridently Anti-Catholic [i.e. Communist countries] and so promoting religious freedom actually protects Catholicism and allows for its spreading throughout non-Catholic countries)
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Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 02:31 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 02:33 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 02:39 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 02:43 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 02:44 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 02:46 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 02:48 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by jonkknox - 11-04-2009, 02:50 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 03:07 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by glgas - 11-04-2009, 03:59 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by jovan66102 - 11-04-2009, 04:07 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 04:14 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 04:15 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 04:22 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 04:25 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 04:29 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 04:36 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by goggleeyes - 11-04-2009, 04:38 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 05:30 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 05:33 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by goggleeyes - 11-04-2009, 05:41 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 05:44 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 05:52 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 06:00 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 06:08 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 06:18 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by jonkknox - 11-04-2009, 06:40 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 06:54 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 06:59 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 07:04 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 07:15 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 07:33 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by franklinf - 11-04-2009, 07:41 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 07:46 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 07:46 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 07:47 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 07:50 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 07:53 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by franklinf - 11-04-2009, 07:56 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 07:58 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 08:05 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 08:06 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 08:10 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 08:13 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 08:16 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 08:20 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 08:22 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by jovan66102 - 11-04-2009, 08:59 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 09:01 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by jovan66102 - 11-04-2009, 09:05 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 09:10 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 09:15 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by jovan66102 - 11-04-2009, 09:19 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 09:22 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 09:28 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by jovan66102 - 11-04-2009, 09:33 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 09:35 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 09:35 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 09:37 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by jovan66102 - 11-04-2009, 09:41 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-04-2009, 09:45 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 10:00 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-05-2009, 01:36 AM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-05-2009, 02:11 AM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-05-2009, 04:15 AM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-05-2009, 12:08 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-05-2009, 12:51 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Historian - 11-05-2009, 12:53 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by Texican - 11-05-2009, 10:56 PM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by SinfullyLate - 11-10-2009, 12:19 AM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-10-2009, 01:55 AM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by SinfullyLate - 11-10-2009, 03:33 AM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by nsper7 - 11-10-2009, 04:20 AM
Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - by SinfullyLate - 11-10-2009, 04:56 AM



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