Vatican astronomer says if aliens exist, they may not need redemption
(03-01-2011, 12:46 PM)Melkite Wrote: If they exist and have a civilization of their own, I imagine that each one probably is in a different galaxy, millions of light years away.  If JC hasn't come back in 30 million or so, maybe we'll get to meet the ones in Andromeda when their galaxy crashes into ours.

I don't believe that galaxies can collide.  It has never been observed, and what are purported to be galaxies in the state of "collision" can be explained as particular instants along the extrapolated evolution of a galaxy according to the electric/plasma model of cosmology.  There are papers on this, but I don't have the time right now to find the links to them.

What is more likely to happen before then is a complete transformation of both galaxies from spiral to another shape (I can't remember which one it's  supposed to be).  Who knows how different things would be on this planet if its galaxy was a different shape...  In the electric/plasma model, there should be drastic differences.

At any rate, I also do not believe in the physical limitations that Special Relativity and Newtonian "motion mechanics" dare to impose on the field of aeronautical engineering.  There's no evidence that the real world does not break everything in those theories purported to be a law.  So I think it is physically possible to build a vehicle for travel to the Andromeda Galaxy in which the travel time can be reduced to, at the very most, a few years, and, at least, a few seconds.  Don't worry, I've read about this.  I'm not pulling it out of my hat.

Therefore, if there are other races of significant beings in the universe, some of them have probably already been here, or are here now, or will be here not too much later.

(03-01-2011, 12:46 PM)Melkite Wrote: 1.  Maybe they weren't tested, like the animals on earth aren't tested.  In speculative theology, is it possible to have a highly intelligent, non-rational being, capable of building an advanced civilization without the need of conscience?  Ultimately, I suppose they would be what the evolutionists believe we are.

No, I don't think that's possible.  If you retain theology, then, by definition, only significant beings (i.e., beings made in God's image--that is, with free will and reason and so forth) are capable of the kinds of things that are generally thought only humans can do.

(03-01-2011, 12:46 PM)Melkite Wrote: 2.  If their ancestors passed, are they still tested individually?  Do some now pass and others fail?  Do the ones who pass shun those who fail, or do they mix and produce offspring who have only partially inherited original sin?
If their ancestors failed, did Jesus' death here count for them, or would he have to die on their planet for them?  If he only died here for us, but did not for them, does that mean he loves them less than us?  He loves all of his creation, but he only became incarnate for us.

With the exception of the bolded questions, I think these can be answered by the nature of the test.  We would have to know that detail, I think, to be to answer at all.

As for what I bolded, the answer to 2) would have to be "no" certainly given what we know of God.  To 3), the reason He became one of us is related to the fact that we sinned.  It could be (and this idea comes from C.S. Lewis) that the devil's influence in the cosmos started on Earth, in humanity.  Thus, it seems logical for the remedy to that situation to come from the same thing.  Since we don't really know how evil might have influenced any other significant race, I don't think we can answer 1.

(03-01-2011, 12:46 PM)Melkite Wrote: I think, ultimately, without new, public revelation, the Church's only responsibility to them would be to offer them conditional baptism if they desired it.

There was, in fact, another person affiliated with the Vatican's astronomy project who said something along those lines if I'm not mistaken.  I'll have to search for that...

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