Does It Really Say That in the Talmud?
#31
(11-21-2009, 01:20 PM)John92 Wrote: Talmudic law is very dense >.<

Talmudic law is utterly satanic and should be destroyed along with Talmudism itself.
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#32
(11-21-2009, 02:03 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote:
(11-21-2009, 01:20 PM)John92 Wrote: Talmudic law is very dense >.<

Talmudic law is utterly satanic and should be destroyed along with Talmudism itself.

Yeah, what's your point?  It's also very dense and it's quite hard to say anything definite about what the "sages" were or were not saying without years of study in Hebrew and Rabbinical Law.

And utterly satanic?  Is it any more satanic than the Qu'ran or the Catechism of Martin Luther or the document of any other false religion?

As I pointed out above you could spend hours, days even, picking random passages from the Talmud and not find a single reference to Jesus or gentiles.  You get the impression from "anti-semitic" writings that it's chock-full of hateful statements toward the Christ and hysterically hateful statements towards "goyim" but it just ain't so.  If you count up even the broadest list of offensive portions they'll still make up only a fraction of a percentage of the sheer mind-numbing bulk that is the Talmud.  Most of it is about whether you can eat figs in august or whether you can say your evening prayers after midnight or whatever.
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#33
Who's sayoing its more satanic then the koran or brahabama hindu thing about drinking goat piss while dancing naked infront of idols?
No one.
So
Vetus is corect.
Sip
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#34
(11-21-2009, 04:20 PM)John92 Wrote: Yeah, what's your point?  It's also very dense and it's quite hard to say anything definite about what the "sages" were or were not saying without years of study in Hebrew and Rabbinical Law.

My point is that Talmudism needs to be destroyed. You don't need "years of study in Hebrew and Rabbinical Law" to know that it is indeed a work of diabolical perversity, as I'm sure you don't need years of study in Arabic and Islamic Jurisprudence to know that Mohammedanism is false, perverse and blasphemous. "By their fruits you shall know them": a standard knowledge about these creeds is quite enough for any informed catholic to recognize the wickedness of their doctrines and the poison of their fruits.

(11-21-2009, 04:20 PM)John92 Wrote: And utterly satanic?  Is it any more satanic than the Qu'ran or the Catechism of Martin Luther or the document of any other false religion?

I didn't say it was more or less, I just said it was "utterly satanic". However, since you ask, let me point out that all other false creeds are satanic in their own right since they drive away souls from Christ but Talmudism is especially perverse since it is blasphemous towards Our Lord and Our Heavenly Mother. Talmudism is the embodiment of the Synagogue of Satan.
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(11-21-2009, 05:47 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote:
(11-21-2009, 04:20 PM)John92 Wrote: Yeah, what's your point?  It's also very dense and it's quite hard to say anything definite about what the "sages" were or were not saying without years of study in Hebrew and Rabbinical Law.

My point is that Talmudism needs to be destroyed. You don't need "years of study in Hebrew and Rabbinical Law" to know that it is indeed a work of diabolical perversity, as I'm sure you don't need years of study in Arabic and Islamic Jurisprudence to know that Mohammedanism is false, perverse and blasphemous. "By their fruits you shall know them": a standard knowledge about these creeds is quite enough for any informed catholic to recognize the wickedness of their doctrines and the poison of their fruits.

(11-21-2009, 04:20 PM)John92 Wrote: And utterly satanic?  Is it any more satanic than the Qu'ran or the Catechism of Martin Luther or the document of any other false religion?

I didn't say it was more or less, I just said it was "utterly satanic". However, since you ask, let me point out that all other false creeds are satanic in their own right since they drive away souls from Christ but Talmudism is especially perverse since it is blasphemous towards Our Lord and Our Heavenly Mother. Talmudism is the embodiment of the Synagogue of Satan.

Sorry I was short with you the way I was  :-[

I disagree with you on its being "utterly satanic" because I trust the Ordinary Magisterium, that the Holy Spirit uses those aspects of Judaism, Islam, etc which are similar to the one true Church to lead souls to it.  But meh this isn't the thread to debate that right?  Sorry I was short with you, I dunno why I keep stepping on your toes in threads, it's nothing personal.
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#36
Um... do you trust the same Magisterium from which these writings came:

Pope Leo XIII, Encyclical Au milieu des sollicitudes, On the Church and State in France (1892) :
It was these threatening calumnies [about the alleged desire of Christ and His followers to seize secular power] which drew from Pilate the sentence of death against Him whom he had repeatedly declared innocent. And the authors of these lies, or of others of equal strength, omitted nothing that would aid their emissaries in propagating them far and wide; and thus did St. Justin, martyr, rebuke the Jews of his time: “Far from repenting when you had learned of His resurrection from the dead, you sent to Jerusalem shrewdly chosen men to announce that a heresy and an impious sect had been started by a certain seducer called Jesus of Galilee” (Dialogue with Trypho).

Pope Pius IX, Encyclical Quartus Supra, On the Church in Armenia (1873) :
… It is also said that We have infringed upon the rights of the supreme emperor. This is a common calumny worn thin by the long use heretics have made of it. The Jews first invented it in opposition to Christ and God; then pagans very often used it not only before the Roman emperors and heretics, but even before Catholic princes…

The Bull Hebraeorum gens ("The Jewish Race") 1569, of Saint Pius V
"The Jewish people fell from the heights because of their faithlessness and condemned their Redeemer to a shameful death. Their godlessness has assumed such forms that, for the salvation of our own people, it becomes necessary to prevent their disease. Besides usury, through which Jews everywhere have sucked dry the property of impoverished Christians, they are accomplices of thieves and robbers; and the most damaging aspect of the matter is that they allure the unsuspecting through magical incantations, superstition, and witchcraft to the Synagogue of Satan and boast of being able to predict the future. We have carefully investigated how this revolting sect abuses the name of Christ and how harmful they are to those whose life is threatened by their deceit. On account of these and other serious matters, and because of the gravity of their crimes which increase day to day more and more, We order that, within 90 days, all Jews in our entire earthly realm of justice -- in all towns, districts, and places -- must depart these regions."

Also of note are;

Pope Innocent III  Etsi non displiceat, 1205
Pope Gregory IX Si Vera Sunt, 1239
Pope St Pius V Hebraeorum Gens, feb 26, 1569
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#37
(11-21-2009, 07:43 PM)Arun Wrote: Um... do you trust the same Magisterium from which these writings came:

Pope Leo XIII, Encyclical Au milieu des sollicitudes, On the Church and State in France (1892) :
It was these threatening calumnies [about the alleged desire of Christ and His followers to seize secular power] which drew from Pilate the sentence of death against Him whom he had repeatedly declared innocent. And the authors of these lies, or of others of equal strength, omitted nothing that would aid their emissaries in propagating them far and wide; and thus did St. Justin, martyr, rebuke the Jews of his time: “Far from repenting when you had learned of His resurrection from the dead, you sent to Jerusalem shrewdly chosen men to announce that a heresy and an impious sect had been started by a certain seducer called Jesus of Galilee” (Dialogue with Trypho).

Pope Pius IX, Encyclical Quartus Supra, On the Church in Armenia (1873) :
… It is also said that We have infringed upon the rights of the supreme emperor. This is a common calumny worn thin by the long use heretics have made of it. The Jews first invented it in opposition to Christ and God; then pagans very often used it not only before the Roman emperors and heretics, but even before Catholic princes…

The Bull Hebraeorum gens ("The Jewish Race") 1569, of Saint Pius V
"The Jewish people fell from the heights because of their faithlessness and condemned their Redeemer to a shameful death. Their godlessness has assumed such forms that, for the salvation of our own people, it becomes necessary to prevent their disease. Besides usury, through which Jews everywhere have sucked dry the property of impoverished Christians, they are accomplices of thieves and robbers; and the most damaging aspect of the matter is that they allure the unsuspecting through magical incantations, superstition, and witchcraft to the Synagogue of Satan and boast of being able to predict the future. We have carefully investigated how this revolting sect abuses the name of Christ and how harmful they are to those whose life is threatened by their deceit. On account of these and other serious matters, and because of the gravity of their crimes which increase day to day more and more, We order that, within 90 days, all Jews in our entire earthly realm of justice -- in all towns, districts, and places -- must depart these regions."

Also of note are;

Pope Innocent III  Etsi non displiceat, 1205
Pope Gregory IX Si Vera Sunt, 1239
Pope St Pius V Hebraeorum Gens, feb 26, 1569

None of those contradict the idea that the Holy Spirit uses the similarities between Catholic and Pharisaical ethics to help their mislead, possible hell-bound participants become more Christ-like and, hopefully, someday lead them to the One True Church.

Most Jews opposed Christ and continue to do so, many Jews in the past and now exploit the poor with usury; you're not telling me anything new :P
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#38
Look not much else for us to say to u on this. If u belive the Holy Ghost uses false evil writings to sanctify people then ok. What do u want from us? U have been shown good examples. U just will belive what u want.
If u expect us to hold to ypour rubbish your sadly mistaken!
Bugger off now.
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#39
(11-22-2009, 03:42 PM)John92 Wrote:
(11-21-2009, 07:43 PM)Arun Wrote: Um... do you trust the same Magisterium from which these writings came:

Pope Leo XIII, Encyclical Au milieu des sollicitudes, On the Church and State in France (1892) :
It was these threatening calumnies [about the alleged desire of Christ and His followers to seize secular power] which drew from Pilate the sentence of death against Him whom he had repeatedly declared innocent. And the authors of these lies, or of others of equal strength, omitted nothing that would aid their emissaries in propagating them far and wide; and thus did St. Justin, martyr, rebuke the Jews of his time: “Far from repenting when you had learned of His resurrection from the dead, you sent to Jerusalem shrewdly chosen men to announce that a heresy and an impious sect had been started by a certain seducer called Jesus of Galilee” (Dialogue with Trypho).

Pope Pius IX, Encyclical Quartus Supra, On the Church in Armenia (1873) :
… It is also said that We have infringed upon the rights of the supreme emperor. This is a common calumny worn thin by the long use heretics have made of it. The Jews first invented it in opposition to Christ and God; then pagans very often used it not only before the Roman emperors and heretics, but even before Catholic princes…

The Bull Hebraeorum gens ("The Jewish Race") 1569, of Saint Pius V
"The Jewish people fell from the heights because of their faithlessness and condemned their Redeemer to a shameful death. Their godlessness has assumed such forms that, for the salvation of our own people, it becomes necessary to prevent their disease. Besides usury, through which Jews everywhere have sucked dry the property of impoverished Christians, they are accomplices of thieves and robbers; and the most damaging aspect of the matter is that they allure the unsuspecting through magical incantations, superstition, and witchcraft to the Synagogue of Satan and boast of being able to predict the future. We have carefully investigated how this revolting sect abuses the name of Christ and how harmful they are to those whose life is threatened by their deceit. On account of these and other serious matters, and because of the gravity of their crimes which increase day to day more and more, We order that, within 90 days, all Jews in our entire earthly realm of justice -- in all towns, districts, and places -- must depart these regions."

Also of note are;

Pope Innocent III  Etsi non displiceat, 1205
Pope Gregory IX Si Vera Sunt, 1239
Pope St Pius V Hebraeorum Gens, feb 26, 1569

None of those contradict the idea that the Holy Spirit uses the similarities between Catholic and Pharisaical ethics to help their mislead, possible hell-bound participants become more Christ-like and, hopefully, someday lead them to the One True Church.

Most Jews opposed Christ and continue to do so, many Jews in the past and now exploit the poor with usury; you're not telling me anything new :P

The Ordinary Magisterium condemned the Talmud, though.
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#40
(11-21-2009, 07:43 PM)Arun Wrote: Um... do you trust the same Magisterium from which these writings came:

Pope Leo XIII, Encyclical Au milieu des sollicitudes, On the Church and State in France (1892) :
It was these threatening calumnies [about the alleged desire of Christ and His followers to seize secular power] which drew from Pilate the sentence of death against Him whom he had repeatedly declared innocent. And the authors of these lies, or of others of equal strength, omitted nothing that would aid their emissaries in propagating them far and wide; and thus did St. Justin, martyr, rebuke the Jews of his time: “Far from repenting when you had learned of His resurrection from the dead, you sent to Jerusalem shrewdly chosen men to announce that a heresy and an impious sect had been started by a certain seducer called Jesus of Galilee” (Dialogue with Trypho).

Pope Pius IX, Encyclical Quartus Supra, On the Church in Armenia (1873) :
… It is also said that We have infringed upon the rights of the supreme emperor. This is a common calumny worn thin by the long use heretics have made of it. The Jews first invented it in opposition to Christ and God; then pagans very often used it not only before the Roman emperors and heretics, but even before Catholic princes…

The Bull Hebraeorum gens ("The Jewish Race") 1569, of Saint Pius V
"The Jewish people fell from the heights because of their faithlessness and condemned their Redeemer to a shameful death. Their godlessness has assumed such forms that, for the salvation of our own people, it becomes necessary to prevent their disease. Besides usury, through which Jews everywhere have sucked dry the property of impoverished Christians, they are accomplices of thieves and robbers; and the most damaging aspect of the matter is that they allure the unsuspecting through magical incantations, superstition, and witchcraft to the Synagogue of Satan and boast of being able to predict the future. We have carefully investigated how this revolting sect abuses the name of Christ and how harmful they are to those whose life is threatened by their deceit. On account of these and other serious matters, and because of the gravity of their crimes which increase day to day more and more, We order that, within 90 days, all Jews in our entire earthly realm of justice -- in all towns, districts, and places -- must depart these regions."

Also of note are;

Pope Innocent III  Etsi non displiceat, 1205
Pope Gregory IX Si Vera Sunt, 1239
Pope St Pius V Hebraeorum Gens, feb 26, 1569

Those are statements not of a doctrinal but of a historical nature, which do thus not appertain to the teaching authority of the Magisterium.
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