Blessed JP2?
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(11-19-2009, 12:52 PM)Louis_Martin Wrote:
(11-19-2009, 09:17 AM)maso Wrote: The main obstacle I think that might prevent JPII to be canonized is the way he handled the paedophilia in the priesthood. This was and still is a huge scandal of which nobody can yet assess the consequences.
Simple: they'll shift the blame elsewhere.  On every bad issue the response is, "Oh, he just didn't know."  He's going to be a saint.  People are already putting halos on icons of him, they've made huge statues.  There's too much invested in him, in the worship of his personality.  He may have kissed a koran ("he didn't know") and had heathens offer their sacrifices at Assisi ("he meant well"), but none of that will even cross the mind of these people.  He's too valuable a face for the newchurch to not put a crown on him.

There are not such blind people than those who deny to see...
For example,  the late Cardinal Gagnon story that made an article of Bob Moynihan recently in "Inside the Vatican".
Pope Paul Vi had asked him to investigate about masonic infiltrations in the Vatican. When the report was ready Gagnon asked the Pope for an audience. The Pope declined to meet him (probably he was already aware of the report's contents) and required him to place the report in a safe deposit box. The safe was broken open during the night. The copy Card. Gagnon had kept underwent the same fate...

And certainly Card. Gagnon spoke of this with JPII since he worked wat the Vatican for years.
JPII didn't know that too?
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#12
(11-19-2009, 01:09 PM)maso Wrote: Not "Mai subito", but rather "Mai santo" don't you think so?

Correct, that's what I meant to say. Thanks for catching that.
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(11-19-2009, 01:12 PM)nsper7 Wrote: Perhaps we should compose prayers to John Paul II asking for his intercession. Wouldn't it be amazing if a miraculous event involving one of us led to JP2's beatification?

The thing is, he shouldn't be Beatified, for any number of reasons. If they Beatifiy or Canonize him, they'll have to un-Beatify or un-Canonize many others.

http://www.remnantnewspaper.com/Archives...20errs.htm

http://www.cfnews.org/JP2-Success.htm

http://radtrad.blogspot.com/search/label...the%20Less

http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Christia...s.aspx?p=2

http://athanasiuscm.blogspot.com/2008/04...great.html

Even a neo conservative Catholic is starting to get the picture:

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/giunta/090814
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#14
I have mixed feelings about John Paul II. He may very well be a saint, it wouldn't surprise me. He went to weekly confession, had strong devotions to Mary and was very caring. He may, from our perspective, have been a less than ideal theologian and not adamant enough in the Church, but perhaps that was what he was supposed to do. Maybe he couldn't have done any better (while that is hard to consider, remember, he was Pope for a very short time compared to history and most things in the Church take a long time to develop...Vatican II excepting).

If he makes it to "blessed", maybe that would be a good thing. I have a feeling if he makes it there, he'll be "stuck" there.

However, in terms of people looking up to the Popes, I do wish Pius XII got more attention. He surely is worthy of being seen as a saint (even if he isn't at the moment. I'm not a person to decide that).
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(11-19-2009, 01:12 PM)nsper7 Wrote: Perhaps we should compose prayers to John Paul II asking for his intercession. Wouldn't it be amazing if a miraculous event involving one of us led to JP2's beatification?

It's because you say things like this that your reputation is -300.
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(11-19-2009, 10:17 PM)Resurrexi Wrote:
(11-19-2009, 01:12 PM)nsper7 Wrote: Perhaps we should compose prayers to John Paul II asking for his intercession. Wouldn't it be amazing if a miraculous event involving one of us led to JP2's beatification?

It's because you say things like this that your reputation is -300.

So I should be a slave to the popularity and worrying about my 'reputation'?
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#17
(11-19-2009, 10:26 PM)nsper7 Wrote:
(11-19-2009, 10:17 PM)Resurrexi Wrote:
(11-19-2009, 01:12 PM)nsper7 Wrote: Perhaps we should compose prayers to John Paul II asking for his intercession. Wouldn't it be amazing if a miraculous event involving one of us led to JP2's beatification?

It's because you say things like this that your reputation is -300.

So I should be a slave to the popularity and worrying about my 'reputation'?

That's your choice.
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#18
While I wouldn't say JPII is definitely in Hell. I will let this picture speak for itself...

[Image: popefireDM1510_468x365.jpg]

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#19
Pray to St. Pius X that this never takes place.
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#20
I don't think we are competent enough to judge the sanctity of Pope John Paul II.  Quite frankly, I thought he would have been sainted already given how much there was a push to do so.  The fact that it hasn't happened yet does suggest that at least some rigor is being taken in his case.

Although it is definitely the case that the role of the Devil's Advocate should be reinstituted. 

Dominus tecum
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