Mark of the Beast
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(12-05-2009, 12:41 AM)John C Wrote: I never said they were mandatory and nor do they need to be considering no-one is arguing that barcodes are the mark of the beast. Only a sophist would argue that barcodes aren't used universally for buying and selling. It would be a relief to have u around when the real mark is in use, u can simply assure everyone that the mark isn't used for buying and selling, it's just a way of encoding a number, the buying and selling part is completely seperate.
Ok, I tried very hard to remove any hint of insult or derogatory comment from my posts after starting anew, but you are pushing my commitment.

You are saying only a sophist would argue, when I gave real evidence. You are just mocking me, instead of actually addressing my statements.

My statement that they are not universally used and they are only used to encode numbers which are represented in other ways besides barcodes if at all is not sophistry. It is a real fact and should be addressed.

Quote:Or when 666 is being planted on people's foreheads mandatorily while they are told they can't buy or sell without it, we can simply get u to ask the antichrist if the 666 has anything to do with biblical prophecy. If he says 'no, it's just a coincidence, besides, it says '6''6''6', not 600 and 60 6',  we can all breathe a sigh of relief and continue as normal.
This is a big leap. As pointed out earlier, the meaning of "666" has more simple explanations. It could be a number meant to illustrate the evil of the beast, so by itself, the value has no actual meaning.  This is very plausible. Matthew 18:22 shows this. Do you think Jesus is really instructing us to only forgive 490 times and only that? Apocalypse 14:1, does it really mean there are exactly 144000 with writing on their foreheads? The use of such words is meaningful when taken in context. The precise numbers, the writing on foreheads, etc. It all means something, sometimes more deep than strictly literal. Remember, this beast in Apocalypse 13:11 is coming from the earth and its description is not biological possible. This is the beast whose number is 666. There is a lot more to St. John's writing than that one number in isolation and this beast is more than just a guy who happened to develop a barcode.

I hope a reflection on the whole chapter will help you realise it is not that simple of a concept. http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=7...l=18&f=s#x

Even if barcodes had "six hundred and sixty six" on them in a way no one could deny, I'd still not associate them with the Bible any more than I'd associate any other instance of that integer with it.

Quote:Similarly, in those hypothetical circumstances, if there is a general fear that this could 'the mark', u'll no doubt be there to inform us that there is a shop measuring 20ft by 20ft in the wilderness of Timbuktu that doesn't use the mark, therefore it can't be the mark because it isn't used universally. The paradox of the completely unreasonable Mr Logic.
You are doing what you accuse me of doing. I'm saying that it isn't universally used anywhere in the world. The fact that a single store may not use it consistently or at all, that a single manufacturer may not use it. Even Wall-Mart, which required its suppliers to use RFID tags only did this for its top 100 suppliers, not them all.

Please don't mock me or refer to my person, just the arguments. If there is a flaw in my arguments, please point them out. If you find a flaw, address the flaw, not myself. You can't say there is a flaw then attack me instead. That doesn't work.

Quote:U can also assure everyone that the '666' isn't really  the mark because the 6s are not in a row. Say they are aligned vertically for example, then we'll know that it isn't 600 and 60 6, but just plain old 666, which of course has nothing to do with the mark. With ur eagle eye to watch over us we evidently have nothing to fear.
The sixes don't need to be in a row, they need to represent "six hundred and sixty six" in some fashion. For example, this is not what I believe, but imagine a dictator with six hundred and sixty six highly trained enforcers to do his dirty work. My pointing out of the syntax was purely to show how our number systems work.

Quote:u side step with skill Rosarium (sarcasm), u aren't a professional dancer by any chance? When ur point is soundly met, just ignore or pretend u don't understand...
You are not addressing my points. You claim it is sound, but only you. Of course you know what you think! You need to communicate it, just as I try to communicate what I think. This takes time and thought to effectively do, but it is worth it I think. Well, I think it is worth it if the person with whom I'm communicating takes the same effort.

Quote:Ur shameless and insulting use of the stawman argument yet again says it all Rosarium. Ur repeated attempts to gain victim status are equally nauseating. Try to have some dignity
This is totally out of line. I am only focusing on the subject!
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Mark of the Beast - by Munda_cor_meum - 11-21-2009, 04:37 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by Historian - 11-21-2009, 07:20 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by AntoniusMaximus - 11-21-2009, 07:50 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by kimbaichan - 11-21-2009, 09:05 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by SoCalLocal - 11-22-2009, 12:48 AM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by Stubborn - 11-22-2009, 07:47 AM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by Petertherock - 11-22-2009, 03:35 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by Nic - 11-23-2009, 05:24 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by savienu - 11-23-2009, 09:43 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by Arun - 11-27-2009, 08:02 AM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by John C - 11-30-2009, 02:21 AM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by Historian - 11-30-2009, 03:16 AM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by John C - 11-30-2009, 10:32 AM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by SoCalLocal - 11-30-2009, 11:39 AM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by John C - 11-30-2009, 12:36 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by Historian - 11-30-2009, 01:56 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by Arun - 11-30-2009, 06:02 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by John C - 11-30-2009, 10:44 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by Iuvenalis - 12-01-2009, 01:20 AM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by John C - 12-01-2009, 02:49 AM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by Arun - 12-01-2009, 08:52 AM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by Historian - 12-01-2009, 10:31 AM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by RalphKramden - 12-01-2009, 11:12 AM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by CrusaderKing - 12-01-2009, 02:15 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by Historian - 12-01-2009, 03:24 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by Arun - 12-01-2009, 06:28 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by Iuvenalis - 12-01-2009, 06:40 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by CrusaderKing - 12-01-2009, 07:48 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by CrusaderKing - 12-01-2009, 07:54 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by John C - 12-01-2009, 08:43 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by Munda_cor_meum - 12-01-2009, 09:03 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by John C - 12-01-2009, 09:13 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by Historian - 12-01-2009, 09:27 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by Arun - 12-02-2009, 12:42 AM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by John C - 12-02-2009, 11:20 AM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by Historian - 12-02-2009, 11:35 AM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by John C - 12-02-2009, 12:14 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by Historian - 12-02-2009, 12:22 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by John C - 12-02-2009, 12:57 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by Historian - 12-02-2009, 01:11 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by IrishCowboy - 12-02-2009, 01:41 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by Arun - 12-02-2009, 06:55 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by John C - 12-02-2009, 07:05 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by John C - 12-02-2009, 07:15 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by IrishCowboy - 12-02-2009, 07:26 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by Historian - 12-02-2009, 08:55 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by John C - 12-02-2009, 10:08 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by John C - 12-02-2009, 10:13 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by Historian - 12-02-2009, 10:18 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by John C - 12-02-2009, 11:24 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by John C - 12-02-2009, 11:30 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by IrishCowboy - 12-03-2009, 01:28 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by Arun - 12-03-2009, 06:31 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by IrishCowboy - 12-03-2009, 06:54 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by INPEFESS - 12-03-2009, 07:21 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by Historian - 12-03-2009, 07:37 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by INPEFESS - 12-03-2009, 09:17 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by Historian - 12-03-2009, 09:29 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by John C - 12-03-2009, 10:14 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by Louis_Martin - 12-03-2009, 10:26 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by Historian - 12-03-2009, 10:26 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by Historian - 12-03-2009, 10:32 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by James02 - 12-03-2009, 11:17 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by INPEFESS - 12-03-2009, 11:32 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by IrishCowboy - 12-04-2009, 12:52 AM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by John C - 12-04-2009, 02:20 AM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by John C - 12-04-2009, 03:23 AM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by Arun - 12-04-2009, 07:02 AM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by John C - 12-04-2009, 08:41 AM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by John C - 12-04-2009, 09:04 AM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by Historian - 12-04-2009, 12:58 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by Historian - 12-04-2009, 12:59 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by Historian - 12-04-2009, 01:23 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by IrishCowboy - 12-04-2009, 02:08 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by Historian - 12-04-2009, 02:16 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by Arun - 12-04-2009, 07:30 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by John C - 12-05-2009, 12:41 AM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by Historian - 12-05-2009, 01:16 AM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by INPEFESS - 12-05-2009, 01:29 AM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by John C - 12-05-2009, 02:02 AM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by Historian - 12-05-2009, 02:04 AM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by INPEFESS - 12-05-2009, 02:07 AM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by John C - 12-05-2009, 04:02 AM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by Historian - 12-05-2009, 04:08 AM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by DJR - 12-05-2009, 09:00 PM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by Nic - 12-09-2009, 07:35 AM
Re: Mark of the Beast - by ggreg - 12-12-2009, 06:56 PM
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Re: Mark of the Beast - by Historian - 12-14-2009, 02:40 PM
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Re: Mark of the Beast - by Nic - 12-15-2009, 05:35 AM
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