what's the deal with vampire related stuff
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At least one Vatican official is concerned.

http://clericalwhispers.blogspot.com/200...light.html
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#12
(11-22-2009, 09:50 PM)devotedknuckles Wrote: Well I don't know about new moon buyt the first one was about vampires. Twilight. Also related I enjoyed 30 daysd of night. Fun movie
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I mean, it is a "vampire", but the movie isn't about it. The story has nothing to do with vampires.
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(11-22-2009, 10:37 PM)Rosarium Wrote:
(11-22-2009, 09:50 PM)devotedknuckles Wrote: Well I don't know about new moon buyt the first one was about vampires. Twilight. Also related I enjoyed 30 daysd of night. Fun movie
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I mean, it is a "vampire", but the movie isn't about it. The story has nothing to do with vampires.
You havent read the books, have you? Its ALL ABOUT VAMPIRES!

And as far as moral messages go, its not that bad. Edward will neither turn Bela, nor have sex with her, until they marry....Ive heard worse in a book
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(11-22-2009, 10:49 PM)CanadianCatholic Wrote: You havent read the books, have you? Its ALL ABOUT VAMPIRES!
Check.

Quote:And as far as moral messages go, its not that bad. Edward will neither turn Bela, nor have sex with her, until they marry....Ive heard worse in a book
Proves my point.

It is a"romantic tale using the "vampire" setting for a plot device. It has nothing to do with vampires, but human socialisation and romance.
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(11-22-2009, 10:37 PM)Rosarium Wrote:
(11-22-2009, 09:50 PM)devotedknuckles Wrote: Well I don't know about new moon buyt the first one was about vampires. Twilight. Also related I enjoyed 30 daysd of night. Fun movie
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I mean, it is a "vampire", but the movie isn't about it. The story has nothing to do with vampires.

yea, I know it is a weak arguments but you are helping to legitimatized vampires as something good instead of something grotesquely evil as they have been for most of history, frankly I think in these days especially we need solid characters that represent good wholly as oppose to these hybrid, "realistic," like oh he may need to suck on blood to live, but he only drinks animal blood and he has great abs, so it is ok.  That's the thing that really bothers me about pop culture, people don't understand it.  If all the readers of Harry Pothead understood it as just a good story for entertainment value that's fine, but then you have kids who don't understand it and will be like I want to be a wizard or witches and while Harry Pothead doesn't have the Satanic bible inscribed in it, any kid can type in google witches and wizards and find a bunch of perverted people who suck them into these bizarre cults.  A vampire is a vampire, it's like all demons may not neccesarily be downright pure evil in their dealings with humans but they are demons, not to be trusted.  
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(11-22-2009, 10:55 PM)AntoniusMaximus Wrote: yea, I know it is a weak arguments but you are helping to legitimatized vampires as something good instead of something grotesquely evil as they have been for most of history, frankly I think in these days especially we need solid characters that represent good wholly as oppose to these hybrid, "realistic," like oh he may need to suck on blood to live, but he only drinks animal blood and he has great abs, so it is ok.  That's the thing that really bothers me about pop culture, people don't understand it.  If all the readers of Harry Pothead understood it as just a good story for entertainment value that's fine, but then you have kids who don't understand it and will be like I want to be a wizard or witches and while Harry Pothead doesn't have the Satanic bible inscribed in it, any kid can type in google witches and wizards and find a bunch of perverted people who suck them into these bizarre cults.  A vampire is a vampire, it's like all demons may not neccesarily be downright pure evil in their dealings with humans but they are demons, not to be trusted.  

My point was that it doesn't really say much about the concept of vampires. It is just trying to tell that old tale for young girls about a love story about a dark and dangerous man and some idiot girl. If the story were told in the classical way, it would be creepy and disgusting (an old murderous man getting involved with a teenage girl), but if it is a "vampire", the story can be told. The focus isn't on the vampire, but on the romance. Take "Interview with a Vampire" for instance. This concept is clearly shown. Vampires are soulless, dangerous and evil. Brad Pitt points out this at the end when that one guy had a desire to be one.

The classic tales of it, Nosferatu, Dracula, etc all have vampires as not much more than glorified zombies. Evil, dangerous, disgusting (if not in appearance, in soul).

Is this Twilight vampire really a vampire? The name is used, a few external characteristics, but the character itself is hardly a vampire.
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#17
Quite frankly, vampires have that veneer of danger and forbidden fruit, and so it's only to be expected somebody would try to market them to vulnerable teenagers.  Girls especially who might find the allure in something dangerous and unknown.  Like Beast, they try to humanize the monstrous.  Only in the case of Beast, he was redeemable.  Vampires, if such a thing exists, were created from profanation against God.  Bram Stoker's story actually suggested that Dracula and his victims were redeemed once being released into true death, as they were now no longer vampires.  But so long as they remained in the world, they were a blasphemy against God.  Which is why Mina, though called good and saintly by van Helsing, still was burned by the touch of the Host.  Until she was freed, she was beyond the grace of God, as it said.

The few times I've ever used vampires in my stories, they have always been in the Stoker mold.  Until the curse that keeps them locked into a vessel of evil is broken, they cannot nor desire to be redeemed.

Of course, they aren't real to begin with, but that doesn't stop some people from pretending to be vampires or wishing they were.  They have no idea what they mean.

Dominus tecum

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(11-22-2009, 10:35 PM)Padre_Ricardo Wrote: At least one Vatican official is concerned.

http://clericalwhispers.blogspot.com/200...light.html

Well this is good. I was wondering if the V would say anything.
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(11-22-2009, 09:07 PM)Walty Wrote: Yeah, I never understood why vampires were cool or interesting.

During Halloween and such Vampires have always been my favorite monster but this latest thing with little stupid teenage girls wanting to get bit by some sexy stupid teenage male vampire are messed up.
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(11-22-2009, 11:01 PM)Rosarium Wrote: Is this Twilight vampire really a vampire?

No.  Vampires do NOT sparkle!
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