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Using Artificial Contraception
#11
You... gonna eat all that popcorn Dr Bombay?
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#12
(11-26-2009, 10:13 PM)DrBombay Wrote: I have a feeling this thread is going to end badly.  Very badly.  It has epic fail written all over it.
Why? I mostly just wanted to know if others have had a similar 'conversion' of heart. I'm NOT interested in anyone's sexual experiences or practices, just their fidelity to church teaching.
Maybe I'm the only catholic who has ever used contraception and repented  ::) I'm quite happy with this decision and would like to share, maybe others will be encouraged to have a change of heart?

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#13
(11-26-2009, 10:18 PM)Arun Wrote: You... gonna eat all that popcorn Dr Bombay?

Nope, plenty of popcorn.  Just bring booze.
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(11-26-2009, 10:20 PM)RalphKramden Wrote:
(11-26-2009, 10:13 PM)DrBombay Wrote: I have a feeling this thread is going to end badly.  Very badly.  It has epic fail written all over it.
Why? I mostly just wanted to know if others have had a similar 'conversion' of heart. I'm NOT interested in anyone's sexual experiences or practices, just their fidelity to church teaching.
Maybe I'm the only catholic who has ever used contraception and repented  ::) I'm quite happy with this decision and would like to share, maybe others will be encouraged to have a change of heart?

I'm sure none of us are pure as snow.  I just think the relative anonymity of the internet encourages people to speak a littler freer than they would in real life.  And that's not necessarily a good thing, especially considering the topic. 

But maybe I'm wrong.  Perhaps the virtue of prudence is making a comeback. 
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(11-26-2009, 10:41 PM)DrBombay Wrote: But maybe I'm wrong.  Perhaps the virtue of prudence is making a comeback. 
:laughing:
Point taken, I do think if this topic wasn't so forbidden it may not be as much of an epidemic. Many catholics have never heard why the church teaches what it dose, and those who have been told still don't comply (guilty). Maybe if people could engage in realistic and orthodox conversation regarding the use of contraceptives (without becoming pornographic) more catholics may have a change of heart and become more open to the authentic teachings of the church.
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#16
While we are on the topic, when is marrital sex forbidden? what times of the year? lent? sunday? advent?

As I understand it, coitus interruptis is also forbidden even though its not artificially contraception because it deliberately frustrates the purpose of the act of sex.

This leaves only the rhythm method.

I've come to the conclusion that its just better to forget about sex altogether of you are not trying to get a child.
However I'd love to be convinced otherwise if the alternative didn't break the rules.
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#17
(11-27-2009, 12:06 AM)artificial person Wrote: While we are on the topic, when is marrital sex forbidden? what times of the year? lent? sunday? advent?

As I understand it, coitus interruptis is also forbidden even though its not artificially contraception because it deliberately frustrates the purpose of the act of sex.

This leaves only the rhythm method.

I've come to the conclusion that its just better to forget about sex altogether of you are not trying to get a child.
However I'd love to be convinced otherwise if the alternative didn't break the rules.

Are you married?

Sex is seriously (in my mind) the most important thing in a marriage, second only to bringing each other  and the children closer to God.  Doing it only and completely for the sake of getting pregnant, takes the love, joy,fun, and meaning out of it.(Some of the meaning, of course its about having babies as well)  Its the reason God made it so much fun. It brings you so close to your spouse and strengthens the marriage.

And yes coitus interruptis is forbidden. Rhythm is permissable, under circumstances.
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#18
Yes married.

What I meant was that its forbidden most of the time so if you get excited about it or start thinking about it and the endorphines kick into gear its hard to turn back.
So its better not to think about it at all unless you're trying to have a baby.

I read the encyclical by PIUS XI Casti Concubi or something like that, on Christian marriage, thats more less what I got out of it.

But yes it does talk about the relationship factor as well.

But how about times of the year? Sundays etc
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#19
Sex isnt forbidden certain times of the year...I have  NEVER heard that. I remember hearing once, it used to be forbidden during Lent, but of course thats not a rule anymore. Sex is allowed ALL the time, no matter if your fertile or not. Seriously ask a priest
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#20
(11-26-2009, 10:41 PM)DrBombay Wrote: Perhaps the virtue of prudence is making a comeback. 

Perhaps.  But fish eating traditionalists don't take well to change.  Some people will stick to justice and fortitude, leaving the other 2 cardinal virtues for the sissies.
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