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The State of Isreal
#31
(12-02-2009, 03:10 PM)glgas Wrote: I support the existence of the state of Israel, because:

- Israel as state makes possible the prophesized coversion of of the Nation to accept the Messias, as He lived in the Earth, a necessary condition for the end times, what I expect to come

Do you really think God needs the existence of the state of Israel to bring about the conversion of the nations?  Is God so constrained?
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#32
(12-02-2009, 03:55 PM)rbjmartin Wrote:
(12-02-2009, 03:10 PM)glgas Wrote: I support the existence of the state of Israel, because:

- Israel as state makes possible the prophesized coversion of of the Nation to accept the Messias, as He lived in the Earth, a necessary condition for the end times, what I expect to come

Do you really think God needs the existence of the state of Israel to bring about the conversion of the nations?  Is God so constrained?
shall we wish evil that grace shall abound? God forbid!
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#33
(12-01-2009, 03:57 PM)Rosarium Wrote:
(12-01-2009, 03:50 PM)timoose Wrote: If it were the 1960's I would have said yes, cause I'm for an underdog.
The underdog would be the people who lived there and were being kicked out by foreigners.

I suppose, then, you support the German repatriation of Silesia, Sudetenland and Prussia?  You would have to in order to be consistent.  Also, in 1948, Israel only declared independence on territory which Jews lived in.  The Arabs that were kicked out were the ones that lived on land Israel LEGALLY took from the Arab state AFTER the Arabs invaded the Jewish state.
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#34
(12-02-2009, 03:55 PM)rbjmartin Wrote:
(12-02-2009, 03:10 PM)glgas Wrote: I support the existence of the state of Israel, because:

- Israel as state makes possible the prophesized coversion of of the Nation to accept the Messias, as He lived in the Earth, a necessary condition for the end times, what I expect to come

Do you really think God needs the existence of the state of Israel to bring about the conversion of the nations?  Is God so constrained?

Do you really think God needs a person to be baptized in order to save a person?  Is God so constrained?

(12-01-2009, 04:41 PM)rbjmartin Wrote:
(12-01-2009, 03:50 PM)timoose Wrote: I am beginning to believe it should be a single country where both Ishmaelite, Israelite, and Christian, live side by side with the Roman Catholic Church as the Administrator Protector.

This is the best solution I have heard.

Maybe it should be administered by the Melkite Catholic Church, since it IS territory of the Patriarchate of Antioch.

(12-01-2009, 09:03 PM)alaric Wrote: Why would any non-Zionist support what that French ambassador called "that sh*tty little country" who wants to cause WW3 someday...........

It is nothing more than a hate-state built upon paranoia, prejudice, and racism..............and , oh yea, [i]terrorism.

Well, not so much paranoia, since the holocaust was not a figment of their imagination.  Prejudice, there was prejudice that led to Jews living in ghettoes for how ever many centuries they did.  Racism is a big part of the extermination of Jews that took place in Europe.  So, yeah, Israel IS built on a group of people determined to never let that be done to them again.

(12-01-2009, 11:28 PM)John92 Wrote: Three words:

Jews. Did. WTC.

Prove me wrong :)

Question:  Have you ever seen a picture of the Jews and 9/11 in the same place at the same time?
Answer: I did not think so
Fact: They're the same person.

Three words:

Santa. Did. WTC.

Prove me wrong :)

Question:  Have you ever seen a picture of Santa Claus and 9/11 in the same place at the same time?
Answer: I did not think so
Fact: They're the same person.
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#35
Santa did 911 was more believable then the govt story
if you didn't click the link melkite then your speaking without knowing

and this is an interesting quote come ing from you:
Quote:Quote from: alaric
Why would any non-Zionist support what that French ambassador called "that sh*tty little country" who wants to cause WW3 someday...........

It is nothing more than a hate-state built upon paranoia, prejudice, and racism..............and , oh yea, terrorism.

MELKITE:

Well, not so much paranoia, since the holocaust was not a figment of their imagination.  Prejudice, there was prejudice that led to Jews living in ghettoes for how ever many centuries they did.  Racism is a big part of the extermination of Jews that took place in Europe.  So, yeah, Israel IS built on a group of people determined to never let that be done to them again.
Your an eastern Catholic......Holocost!?
ever hear of little group of people called the UKRAINIANS!!!!!!!!!! many more of them were killed by Jewish Bolshevik ideas than anything the socialist (Jewish materialist) Nazi state did to the Jews.
The Jews created the monster that was turned against them...the Ukrainians were completely innocent victims of genocide by starvation.


and further Zionist Israel is built on a racist anti christian Idea of world domination, not some poor downtrodden defensive position of a people sorely abused by history.
Black Africans have much more to cry about then the Jews.....as far as a race of oppressed people goes.
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#36
(12-03-2009, 12:12 PM)Melkite Wrote: I suppose, then, you support the German repatriation of Silesia, Sudetenland and Prussia?  You would have to in order to be consistent.  Also, in 1948, Israel only declared independence on territory which Jews lived in.  The Arabs that were kicked out were the ones that lived on land Israel LEGALLY took from the Arab state AFTER the Arabs invaded the Jewish state.

This is not about Germany. That is a logical fallacy.

As I've stated before, I don't care about governments (or maps), but people.
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#37
(12-03-2009, 05:49 PM)Rosarium Wrote:
(12-03-2009, 12:12 PM)Melkite Wrote: I suppose, then, you support the German repatriation of Silesia, Sudetenland and Prussia?  You would have to in order to be consistent.  Also, in 1948, Israel only declared independence on territory which Jews lived in.  The Arabs that were kicked out were the ones that lived on land Israel LEGALLY took from the Arab state AFTER the Arabs invaded the Jewish state.

This is not about Germany. That is a logical fallacy.

As I've stated before, I don't care about governments (or maps), but people.

No, it's not a logical fallacy, because the situations are exactly the same.  Points were being made supposing that the Jews had no right to push any Arabs out.  The fact is, Germans were pushed out of land that they lived in for several centuries, and no one is crying for the poor, homeless Prussians who now live in Germany proper.  Why?  Because the Germans invaded, and they lost.  Therefore, their land was taken from them.  Likewise, the Arabs invaded, and they lost.  The consequence was losing some land that had already been theirs.  Israel is not occupying any land that is not rightfully its own.

(12-03-2009, 05:22 PM)voxpopulisuxx Wrote: Your an eastern Catholic......Holocost!?
ever hear of little group of people called the UKRAINIANS!!!!!!!!!! many more of them were killed by Jewish Bolshevik ideas than anything the socialist (Jewish materialist) Nazi state did to the Jews.
The Jews created the monster that was turned against them...the Ukrainians were completely innocent victims of genocide by starvation.

Yeah, actually, I know pretty well about the Ukrainian holocaust.  It was perpetrated by COMMUNIST RUSSIANS...many of whom were maybe Jewish in NAME ONLY.  Don't blame the Jews for something the communists in Russia were responsible for.  It was the RUSSIANS who wanted the Ukrainians gone, not the Jews.  To say that the Jewish holocaust was the fault of the Jews is inexcusably ignorant any polemical.  The Jews who died in the holocaust were in no way guilty for what was being done to them, neither did they created such hatred against them.  It was Satanically inspired, not Hebraically inspired.
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#38
(12-03-2009, 06:19 PM)Melkite Wrote: No, it's not a logical fallacy, because the situations are exactly the same. 
Then you can use my statements about Israel and assume I'm consistent with that believe and apply them to whatever situation you want to predict my stance. It is not necessary to ask for confirmation about them. I also am not totally aware of what the situation is with those areas, so I'd have to read more history.

Quote:Points were being made supposing that the Jews had no right to push any Arabs out.  The fact is, Germans were pushed out of land that they lived in for several centuries, and no one is crying for the poor, homeless Prussians who now live in Germany proper.  Why? 
Because it isn't the subject of the thread, perhaps.

Also, as far as I know, Prussians are not being killed to this day. Issues of history are one thing; current events are another.

Quote: Because the Germans invaded, and they lost.  Therefore, their land was taken from them.  Likewise, the Arabs invaded, and they lost.  The consequence was losing some land that had already been theirs.  Israel is not occupying any land that is not rightfully its own.
That was not the point. "Israel" as a government can occupy whatever land it wants, it is how it acts which matters. I don't care if the government is called "Israel", "Palestine" or Holy Land.

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#39
Communism and socialism are constructs created by Jewish political philosophers deal with it it's an historical fact
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#40
So, Melkite is the advocate of Israel and the Jews now? Eager to defend the enemies of Christ, hun?

:pazzo:
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