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The State of Isreal
#61
(12-05-2009, 05:29 PM)alaric Wrote: "Scapegoat" for "everything"?...........Explain please, no one said it's the Jew and Jew alone for all the world's ills.

I did say that they have the mindset of being the eternal victim, Their the ones who predominately want to blame everybody else[i][ for many problems brought on by themselves, especially and including the racist, atheist, and secular state of Israel.

Many trads on here define Judaism/Zionism as enemies of the body of Christ here on earth known as the Church for obvious reasons.

Regardless of your sympathetic mindset towards the "chosen", people just don't wake up one day and start killing Jews just because, well, their Jewz, that is nonsensical and against logic and not becoming of most Christianized cultures, really most civilised cultures.

For every action their is an equal or greater reaction, that is simple physics.

Scripture puts in more simply............[i]You reap what you sow.

Really?  No one is saying that it is the Jew and Jew alone for all the world's ills?  Then explain the formerly near daily articles posted by stvincentferrer.  The Jews are Masons, the Jews are in control of the media, the Jews are in control of the world economy, the Jews orchestrated 9/11.  Everything bad that happens to the world, the day after it happens, someone is spouting off on here how it is somehow the fault of the Jews.

Why wouldn't people just wake up one day and start killing Jews just because they're Jews?  People wake up one day and start killing Christians just because they are Christians.  I'm sure you're not suggesting persecution against Christians is the fault of the Christians being persecuted, right?

"Scripture puts in more simply............You reap what you sow."

This sums up what I'm arguing against very nicely.  As long as someone suggests that the Jews are somehow responsible for anything bad that happens to them, such as the Holocaust, and that they just need to stop whining and accept personal responsibility for the Holocaust, then nothing that particular someone says about Jews can be taken seriously, even if there is any independent veracity to what they are saying.  If you want someone to take personal responsibility for the Holocaust, why aren't you pointing your fingers at the Nazis?  It is THEIR free will that was used to orchestrate the Holocaust, NOT the Jews.  It continues to amaze me how supposedly traditional Catholics will hold individuals responsible for their own evil choices, made by their own free will, if they are not Jews, but if the victim is the Jew, somehow it is the Jews fault that the non-Jew perpetrated evil against them.  They just brought it on themselves.  If the victim is not a Jew, the perpetrator of evil is guilty.  If the victim is a Jew, then the victim is guilty solely because he is a Jew, and somehow the perpetrator was only acting justly.  It couldn't be prevented.  He had it coming.  Place blame where blame is due.  If you want to call yourselves defenders of truth and justice, start rebuking the actual perpetrators of evil and injustice in the world.  If the perpetrator happens to be Jewish, then rebuke him all the same.  But stop rebuking the Jews for all evil, irrespective of whether they are actually guilty of it, just because you don't like Jews.  Again, it's extremely immature, and unbecoming of a true Catholic.
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#62
Nazi policies= Israeli policies.

Funny how this is working out isn't it Melkite?

Take up your disagreements with stvincentferrer with him, not me.

But Israel is a racist, self-worshipping ethno-state, kinds like, you know, Nazi Germany.

Seems like Zionists like yourself have a problem when the National Socialists believed "Germany for Germans" but have no problem with the removal of the indigenous peoples of Palestine from their own land and the genocide of their people, including women and children.

Jesus was a Palestinian.
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#63
(12-05-2009, 05:54 PM)Melkite Wrote: Really?  No one is saying that it is the Jew and Jew alone for all the world's ills?  Then explain the formerly near daily articles posted by stvincentferrer.  The Jews are Masons, the Jews are in control of the media, the Jews are in control of the world economy, the Jews orchestrated 9/11.  Everything bad that happens to the world, the day after it happens, someone is spouting off on here how it is somehow the fault of the Jews.

Who blamed Jews for all the world's ills? Who said the Jews are masons? You've forgotten that this subforum is called "Judaism, Zionism, Other Religions, Cults & Spiritual Movements." Do you think we're supposed to just post stuff that is approving of the Jewish people? This is a traditional Catholic forum, not an ADL forum. The Jews' precious sensibilities are catered to unfailingly on most forums on the net. If you don't like that one small corner of the net allows criticism of the Jews then scram.

I've been a member here for a year and have posted 38 threads in this section, some of which don't concern Jews. Hardly "everyday" as you claim, but perhaps I should begin doing that. You're certainly not scaring me into not posting about the Jews by caricaturing me as an insane, foaming-at-the-mouth hater; if anything you just motivate me to post more. I'd like you to find me one thing I have posted about the Jews that conflicts with Church teaching. You won't be able to find anything, because I have a sound Catholic view of the Jewish people. You're the weird one, not me.

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#64
Weird
LOL
Polite euphamism no doubt
Sip
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#65
(12-05-2009, 06:09 PM)alaric Wrote: Nazi policies= Israeli policies.

Funny how this is working out isn't it Melkite?

Take up your disagreements with stvincentferrer with him, not me.

But Israel is a racist, self-worshipping ethno-state, kinds like, you know, Nazi Germany.

Seems like Zionists like yourself have a problem when the National Socialists believed "Germany for Germans" but have no problem with the removal of the indigenous peoples of Palestine from their own land and the genocide of their people, including women and children.

Jesus was a Palestinian.
  wow, really?  you do get, right, that jesus was not a palestinian in the same sense that modern palestinians are?  that is, i'm an american, and sitting bull is an american, but we're not exactly the same.  hint hint, jesus wasn't an arab because there were no arabs in palestine then.  if you're aware of that, why would you even go there?
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#66
(12-05-2009, 07:59 PM)stvincentferrer Wrote:
(12-05-2009, 05:54 PM)Melkite Wrote: Really?  No one is saying that it is the Jew and Jew alone for all the world's ills?  Then explain the formerly near daily articles posted by stvincentferrer.  The Jews are Masons, the Jews are in control of the media, the Jews are in control of the world economy, the Jews orchestrated 9/11.  Everything bad that happens to the world, the day after it happens, someone is spouting off on here how it is somehow the fault of the Jews.

Who blamed Jews for all the world's ills? Who said the Jews are masons? You've forgotten that this subforum is called "Judaism, Zionism, Other Religions, Cults & Spiritual Movements." Do you think we're supposed to just post stuff that is approving of the Jewish people? This is a traditional Catholic forum, not an ADL forum. The Jews' precious sensibilities are catered to unfailingly on most forums on the net. If you don't like that one small corner of the net allows criticism of the Jews then scram.

I've been a member here for a year and have posted 38 threads in this section, some of which don't concern Jews. Hardly "everyday" as you claim, but perhaps I should begin doing that. You're certainly not scaring me into not posting about the Jews by caricaturing me as an insane, foaming-at-the-mouth hater; if anything you just motivate me to post more. I'd like you to find me one thing I have posted about the Jews that conflicts with Church teaching. You won't be able to find anything, because I have a sound Catholic view of the Jewish people. You're the weird one, not me.
  so because the forum is about judaism it means you should post anything about jews that puts them in a bad light even when it's at the expense of truth?  please do post more and everyday, it's your reputation you're ruining, at least with any rational thinking readers of yours.
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#67
(12-05-2009, 08:35 PM)devotedknuckles Wrote: Weird
LOL
Polite euphamism no doubt
Sip

As polite as I can manage. ;D
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#68
(12-05-2009, 08:46 PM)Melkite Wrote:
(12-05-2009, 07:59 PM)stvincentferrer Wrote:
(12-05-2009, 05:54 PM)Melkite Wrote: Really?  No one is saying that it is the Jew and Jew alone for all the world's ills?  Then explain the formerly near daily articles posted by stvincentferrer.  The Jews are Masons, the Jews are in control of the media, the Jews are in control of the world economy, the Jews orchestrated 9/11.  Everything bad that happens to the world, the day after it happens, someone is spouting off on here how it is somehow the fault of the Jews.

Who blamed Jews for all the world's ills? Who said the Jews are masons? You've forgotten that this subforum is called "Judaism, Zionism, Other Religions, Cults & Spiritual Movements." Do you think we're supposed to just post stuff that is approving of the Jewish people? This is a traditional Catholic forum, not an ADL forum. The Jews' precious sensibilities are catered to unfailingly on most forums on the net. If you don't like that one small corner of the net allows criticism of the Jews then scram.

I've been a member here for a year and have posted 38 threads in this section, some of which don't concern Jews. Hardly "everyday" as you claim, but perhaps I should begin doing that. You're certainly not scaring me into not posting about the Jews by caricaturing me as an insane, foaming-at-the-mouth hater; if anything you just motivate me to post more. I'd like you to find me one thing I have posted about the Jews that conflicts with Church teaching. You won't be able to find anything, because I have a sound Catholic view of the Jewish people. You're the weird one, not me.
  so because the forum is about judaism it means you should post anything about jews that puts them in a bad light even when it's at the expense of truth?  please do post more and everyday, it's your reputation you're ruining, at least with any rational thinking readers of yours.

What have I posted about them that is untrue? And don't make up stuff. Give me something substantial.
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#69
Yes melkite pls do.
If anything stvin posts are restrained and just to the point. Unlike allot of trash u find or the jews. Melkite really listen to yourself. U in efect pledge allegence with a forign criminal gov by claiming alwaay to stand by a state that is founded on anticatholism.
U need to do some gettin ur head stright lad.
Sip
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#70
(12-05-2009, 09:06 PM)devotedknuckles Wrote: Yes melkite pls do.
If anything stvin posts are restrained and just to the point. Unlike allot of trash u find or the jews. Melkite really listen to yourself. U in efect pledge allegence with a forign criminal gov by claiming alwaay to stand by a state that is founded on anticatholism.
U need to do some gettin ur head stright lad.
Sip
  i'm rabidly anti-circumcision, i can't be THAT pro-jewish now...
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