Wherever I stand, I stand with Israel
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(12-08-2009, 11:40 AM)Melkite Wrote: Um, a lot of those Jews were born and raised there!  Do you think they just all moved in in 1948?
Most of them, yes. Even Americans, Mickey Marcus, joined a foreign military for the sake of Zionism.

Quote:Good lord, what slaughter are you talking about?  You know, the Galilee is still loaded with Melkite Catholics.  Alot of those areas are still solidly Arab.  I had a friend who is an Israeli Arab Melkite.  He got along great with Israeli Jews and said most of his Arab family and friends did as well.  And more importantly, that they were treated well by the Jews, not as second class citizens like the Israeli Apartheid crowd would have you believe.  They weren't slaughtered and evicted by these supposedly racist Zionists.  Why not?
What about those in Gaza or those who are burned or whose bodies are mangled? Where are all the Palestinians there? Jews did not become 90% of the population by breeding you know.

Quote:Umm, Crusades much?  When the Crusaders went into the Holy Land and killed all the Muslims living there in order to liberate the Holy places, where was the concern for the poor, innocent Palestinians then?  Just not as important as the places I guess.  So it's ok for Catholics to slaughter Muslims, but if Jews do so it's repugnant?  You're a hypocrite.
I wasn't around then. That is a very silly thing to ask. I have already pointed out this just isn't a matter of history, but current events.

You are calling me a hypocrite for nothing and drawing some weird conclusions. I am talking about living and recently living people, and have repeatedly said that history is one thing, but there are people alive now that remember all these events.

Study some logic.
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#22
(12-08-2009, 11:51 AM)voxpopulisuxx Wrote: Melkite?
Crusades? Really?
Whats next Gallileo
Infant Graveyards from unwanted nun Pregnancys...
Keeping the bible from the people....
is there any anti-catholic history I missed for you to level at us?

Come on, you really think the Crusaders didn't go there and kill people?  I'm not condemning the Crusades at all, I think they were a good thing.  But the fact is, when in the Holy Land, the Crusaders killed Muslims.  In an effort to protect the Holy Places.  Rosarium said that my concern for places over people was sickening, so I was reminding him that Crusaders were more concerned about the sanctity of the Christian holy places than the sanctity of the Islamic people living in the area at the time.  To say that my point of view is sickening, but to say that what the Crusaders did was ok, when they did it from the same point of view, is hypocrisy.
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(12-08-2009, 12:13 PM)Melkite Wrote: Come on, you really think the Crusaders didn't go there and kill people?  I'm not condemning the Crusades at all, I think they were a good thing.  But the fact is, when in the Holy Land, the Crusaders killed Muslims.  In an effort to protect the Holy Places.  Rosarium said that my concern for places over people was sickening, so I was reminding him that Crusaders were more concerned about the sanctity of the Christian holy places than the sanctity of the Islamic people living in the area at the time.  To say that my point of view is sickening, but to say that what the Crusaders did was ok, when they did it from the same point of view, is hypocrisy.

No, the Crusaders (the Knights in them) were originally just escorts for pilgrims who were in danger. It was only after other things happened did the Church sanction a war to retake the Holy Land. It was a military matter, military to military, and it was for the protection of people.

And if you think the Crusaders were the "same thing" as the IDF, then you shouldn't be on this forum.
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(12-08-2009, 12:09 PM)Rosarium Wrote:
(12-08-2009, 11:40 AM)Melkite Wrote: Um, a lot of those Jews were born and raised there!  Do you think they just all moved in in 1948?
Most of them, yes. Even Americans, Mickey Marcus, joined a foreign military for the sake of Zionism.

Got some numbers to back that up, or did you read than in some anti-Israeli publication?

(12-08-2009, 12:09 PM)Rosarium Wrote: What about those in Gaza or those who are burned or whose bodies are mangled? Where are all the Palestinians there? Jews did not become 90% of the population by breeding you know.

Jews never became 90% of the population in Gaza.  All the Palestinians in Gaza...ARE STILL IN GAZA!!!!

(12-08-2009, 12:09 PM)Rosarium Wrote: Umm, Crusades much?  When the Crusaders went into the Holy Land and killed all the Muslims living there in order to liberate the Holy places, where was the concern for the poor, innocent Palestinians then?  Just not as important as the places I guess.  So it's ok for Catholics to slaughter Muslims, but if Jews do so it's repugnant?  You're a hypocrite.
I wasn't around then. That is a very silly thing to ask. I have already pointed out this just isn't a matter of history, but current events.


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Then stop talking about what happened in 1948 in the Middle East because you weren't around then either.
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(12-08-2009, 12:28 PM)Melkite Wrote: Got some numbers to back that up, or did you read than in some anti-Israeli publication?
Look at the demographics of Israel, especially the Jewish population. They are from all over.

Mickey Marcus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_Marcus

The US government helped the deception (an American officer serving as a general in a foreign environment) and he was killed by those he lead.

Quote:Jews never became 90% of the population in Gaza.  All the Palestinians in Gaza...ARE STILL IN GAZA!!!!
They can't really leave can they? They are so free: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/...maps/2.stm

There are Jewish settlements all over as well.

Quote:Then stop talking about what happened in 1948 in the Middle East because you weren't around then either.
What the hell? People who were there are still alive, and the issue is ongoing! I could easily just talk about things that are going on right now, but what is happening now is just an extension of what happened then. It is an entire nation built on deception, theft and murder of non-Jews.

You are trolling I think. Your reasons for supporting Israel are weak. I understand their mentality too: all people who do what they do think they are justified. So what? We are (supposed to be) Catholics, and should be able to discern right from wrong.
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#26
There are no Jewish settlements in Gaza anymore.

You said don't bring up the Crusades because you weren't there.  If you can't talk about the Crusades because you weren't there, then why should you think you can talk about 1948 when you weren't there?  It's simple logic.  Just because there are still some people alive today, it doesn't matter, you weren't one of them, so stop talking about it like you can know it if you can't know about the Crusades.
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(12-08-2009, 12:38 PM)Rosarium Wrote: You are trolling I think. Your reasons for supporting Israel are weak. I understand their mentality too: all people who do what they do think they are justified. So what? We are (supposed to be) Catholics, and should be able to discern right from wrong.

I agree.  This guy just doesn't seem genuine.  He uses his defense of Israel as an occasion to attack Roman Catholics.  Very strange behavior for a Catholic of any rite.
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#28
(12-08-2009, 01:08 PM)Melkite Wrote: There are no Jewish settlements in Gaza anymore.
Well, perhaps (they spring up all over the place), but it is certainly a giant concentration camp now, bombed to heck and then blocked off.

However, I noticed a pattern.

You repeatedly bring up other topics besides the ones at hand, and if they are ignored, you try again, and if they are destroyed (as they usually are), you throw down another off topic issue. Why can you not stay focused on Israel? You are somewhat clever, as it is mildly effective in being distracting, but it isn't working; you have to address the topic. If you are not trolling or have some hidden motive, you are doing a very good impression of it.

Quote:You said don't bring up the Crusades because you weren't there.
No, you worded the statement as if I were there so I said I wasn't. Either way, it is another issue in the past. It is the topic for another...topic.

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The reason not to bring up the crusades is because the are not the topic. You keep throwing down other issues instead of the one at hand. Stop it.

Quote:  If you can't talk about the Crusades because you weren't there, then why should you think you can talk about 1948 when you weren't there?  It's simple logic.
Simple, yes. Logic, no. Being there isn't the issue; it is a current issue, Israel, and ongoing, Its history is recent enough to bring up. However, its history is not really the issue (unless the topic is about the validity of the state of Israel, but I don't care what the government is, but how it acts).

Quote:  Just because there are still some people alive today, it doesn't matter, you weren't one of them, so stop talking about it like you can know it if you can't know about the Crusades.
Do you hear yourself?

Ok, back on target here...use the Force.

About Israel, what exactly do you support and why? Don't try to sidetrack the issue, bring up other issues, make personal attacks or talk about your childhood.
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#29
LOL
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#30
All pro-Israeli/Jewish "Catholics" are trolls. If George Weigel started posting here I'd call him a troll.
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