Concerning Lay Preaching and Such
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(12-29-2009, 12:16 PM)StrictCatholicGirl Wrote:
(12-29-2009, 09:49 AM)QuisUtDeus Wrote: In fact I often get along better with non-Catholics than Catholics of the EWTN-esque variety.  At least the Satanists don't tell me I'm a bad schismatic Catholic :laughing:  Well, except for one ex-Satanist turned trad turned Neo-Catholic apologist.   But he was probably a nicer guy when he was a Satanist and before he started drinking the Stubenville Kool-Aid; unfortunately I only ran into him after the imbibing.

Quis, how could you expect anyone to respond seriously to such blatant insults?

Well, I'm not sure what you're talking about.  The Neo-Catholic apologist I'm talking about is certainly not  Patrick.  I just find it ironic I've been treated better as a Catholic by non-Catholics - including as non-Catholic as you can get -  than my brethren.  As far as "Stubenville Kool-Aid" sure I could have used less rhetoric, but I still would say that he has bought wholesale into the "Our way is The Catholic Way" including denigrating traditional Catholics.  In fact, he and his pals used to have fun trolling trad forums.  Now, most of this was several years back, and I hope he's grown up since then, but all of it is unfortunately true.

I tried to get my son into a Neo-Catholic school once.  I made the point of asking them if they accept non-Catholics, and I asked if they accepted Jews, Orthodox, Protestants, etc. They said, "Oh by all means, yes!"  Then I told the woman showing us the school we went to an SSPX chapel (this was pre-indult).  She said, "Oh you have to talk to the administrator".  The administrator said, "It would not be possible for your son to attend school here."  So there you have it.  They'll allow everyone into their school but a traditional Catholic.

So I go across the street to the non-denominational Christian school and ask if they'll take us.  The pastor says, for sure as long as you are Christian. I say "Are Catholics who go to a Latin Mass Christian?"  He laughs then he makes a point to show me the "Saint Gregory the Great Music Room", that they teach Gregorian Chant as part of the music curriculum, and points out that they teach Latin in grade school to those who want it.  Allowances will be made for missing theology class if I have a letter from the pastor that the child is getting teaching at the church.  Unfortunately, I could not afford this school.

I was talking to a Protty one time about the Real Presence.  He said to me, "If I believed that were really the body and blood of Christ I would be crawling on my knees to that altar."  He got why we get our panties in a bunch about kneeling for Communion, no EMHCs, no Communion-in-hand.  He didn't think I was some retarded dinosaur.  I have great conversations with Hassidic Jews about theology as well; the reformed Jews, eh, not so much.  One of my friends is Orthodox and he was getting ready for his son's brit milah (circumcision).  He complained to me that his wife - who was Reformed - wanted a brit shalom (naming ceremony with no cutting).  I told him that was like baptism with no water.  We totally understood each other.

SSPX/Diocese issues aside (and I'm not an SSPX-only person as people probably know), when I go to a non-Catholic and tell them I go to the TLM they are usually interested and ask how I can understand a Mass in Latin, some like the aesthetics of it, etc.  Very rarely do I take crap for it.  The same is not true when I talk to an "EWTN-esque" Catholic. 

It seems to me that something is very wrong when people who, at least to me, have a sincere love of Christ and a sincere love of Church find a way to turn against the people (trads) who want to hold onto the holy traditions (lower case t) of the Church.  I'll let everyone draw their own conclusions on why this has occurred, but I have my thoughts on the matter.  Really, though, it doesn't follow logic, does it?  The Popes didn't behave like this.  JP2 and B16 especially "got it" about trads.

And if you think I'm exaggerating about the Satanists treating trads better than the Neo-Catholics treat trads, I have an article by a hard-core Satanist from way back in the 1970's that mentions Abp. Lefebvre by name and delights in the fact that the Church paints him as crazy and has thrown aside its liturgy, etc.  I can post it, if you want.  When the enemy gets excited about something, it usually isn't a good sign.

In any case, I don't expect Patrick to respond to what you quoted above.  If he responds to anything, I would think it would be what I addressed to him in civil terms.  I'm sure, unfortunately, Patrick has heard far worse from others both Catholic and non-Catholic.  And he can dish it out, too.  I wouldn't worry about Patrick - seriously.  Someone doesn't stay in apologetics this long without an asbestos codpiece.  That said, in what I addressed to him, I thought I was civil.  If I wasn't, then I apologize.
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Re: Concerning Lay Preaching and Such - by Credo - 12-25-2009, 10:12 AM
Re: Concerning Lay Preaching and Such - by SCG - 12-25-2009, 10:22 AM
Re: Concerning Lay Preaching and Such - by glgas - 12-26-2009, 08:36 AM
Re: Concerning Lay Preaching and Such - by SCG - 12-26-2009, 11:38 AM
Re: Concerning Lay Preaching and Such - by SCG - 12-26-2009, 11:58 AM
Re: Concerning Lay Preaching and Such - by SCG - 12-26-2009, 12:29 PM
Re: Concerning Lay Preaching and Such - by SCG - 12-26-2009, 12:34 PM
Re: Concerning Lay Preaching and Such - by SCG - 12-26-2009, 07:45 PM
Re: Concerning Lay Preaching and Such - by SCG - 12-27-2009, 05:51 PM
Re: Concerning Lay Preaching and Such - by SCG - 12-27-2009, 06:27 PM
Re: Concerning Lay Preaching and Such - by glgas - 12-28-2009, 09:03 AM
Re: Concerning Lay Preaching and Such - by SCG - 12-28-2009, 11:52 AM
Re: Concerning Lay Preaching and Such - by SCG - 12-28-2009, 08:01 PM
Re: Concerning Lay Preaching and Such - by SCG - 12-29-2009, 12:16 PM
Re: Concerning Lay Preaching and Such - by SCG - 12-29-2009, 02:18 PM
Re: Concerning Lay Preaching and Such - by JayneK - 12-29-2009, 03:51 PM
Re: Concerning Lay Preaching and Such - by Historian - 12-29-2009, 07:08 PM
Re: Concerning Lay Preaching and Such - by JayneK - 12-29-2009, 11:08 PM
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