Are things getting better or worse in the Church?
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ggreg Wrote:He could start by simply doing what Our Lady required of him at Fatima,
I agree. I pray that he does consecrate Russia in union with all the bishops' in their cathedrels to the Immaculate of Mary solemnly, and even in Latin.
Quote:rather than lying to the whole world about the serious consequences of avoiding it and pretending it has been done already.
Christ does not look kindly on rashing judging.
Quote:Given his unwillingness to do what Our Lady asked for, I cannot see God co-operating with him very much.  Heaven has given a clear instruction for these times and for 50 years it has been ignored and buried.  It might just be as simple as obeying God and His mother and then all the piece will fall into place.  Until then we suffer.
And how about us? Do we perfectly obey our Blessed Mother's requests for us? I know I don't. The Pope might do it, if we did more. As I see it, he's fulfilling our Lady's own prophecy that it "will happen but it will be late". I believe God is in this Vicar of His, just as the last, despite all proud trads would say, for God sees the soul and not appearances. IMHO you are proud to say you know who God will or will not co-operate with, especially when it's His Vicar. We all need more trust in God.
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#62
(12-27-2009, 02:45 AM)DrBombay Wrote: Really?  Every bishop in the world applying pressure?  Catholics pouring into LA to defend the papacy against the Cardinal?  Really?  You think that's what would happen?

Hmmm....then I guess the crisis isn't quite as bad as you think it is, now is it? 

No, it is not.  Thank you, and good night.  :tiphat:

Yes. There is a severe crisis and political machinations and swaying public opinion would be part of it.  What do you think the reason is why the heretic bishops haven't left already?  They want to do their damage from within.  If the Pope were to push back against Mahony, the liberals would tell the Cardinal to cave in.  They would not want an actual purge to start occurring.    They have always known that one on one, or massed as a group, the bishops are no match for the papacy. 

They also know where the power to do the damage resides. They discovered that once Archbishop LeFebvre was invalidly excommunicated and didn't fade away, that they had a problem.  They expected him to die out.  He didn't.  And they couldn't really get to him as easily as they were able to before.  One of the most providential injustices against LeFebvre was the excommunications. Which just goes to show you how God writes straight with crooked lines. 

Mahony has been doing incalculable damage to the Church and souls for decades precisely because he finds ways to "play within the rules."  It's a classic following the letter of the law and ignoring its spirit.  If Mahony were to stop that in some mad powerplay to topple the papacy, the rest of the liberals would cut him off completely and leave him to hang.  There is no honor amongst thieves. 

Do you think Mahony wants to imitate the hard work and devotion of Archbishop LeFebvre?  Do you think Mahony would be blessed by God for his true disobedience in the same way Archbishop LeFebvre was for his refusal to give false obedience?  No.  Mahony and any followers he could gather around him would be dried up and whithered away in a very short time.  And the damage to the Church would be that much lessened.

As far as the laeity goes, what Traditionalist wouldn't want Mahony to go?  What conservative wouldn't want Mahony to go?  The Trads would want him to go because of everything he is and stands for and believes in.  The conservatives would want him to go because the Pope wants him to go.  Ignorant liberal Catholics would want him to go because it would look to them like a real schism in the Catholic Church instead of a cutting off of dead wood from the tree.  Mahony claims to be Catholic, he would not get as much sympathy in the media because of his liberalism, the anti-Catholicism would override any real support for him.  His allies outside the Church would not even recognize him as an ally. 

I would love for Mahony to push the Pope into that kind of confrontation.  The restoration of the Church would come about that much quicker. 



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(12-28-2009, 07:01 PM)Gerard Wrote:
(12-27-2009, 02:45 AM)DrBombay Wrote: Really?  Every bishop in the world applying pressure?  Catholics pouring into LA to defend the papacy against the Cardinal?  Really?  You think that's what would happen?

Hmmm....then I guess the crisis isn't quite as bad as you think it is, now is it? 

No, it is not.  Thank you, and good night.  :tiphat:

Yes. There is a severe crisis and political machinations and swaying public opinion would be part of it.   What do you think the reason is why the heretic bishops haven't left already?  They want to do their damage from within.  If the Pope were to push back against Mahony, the liberals would tell the Cardinal to cave in.  They would not want an actual purge to start occurring.    They have always known that one on one, or massed as a group, the bishops are no match for the papacy. 

They also know where the power to do the damage resides. They discovered that once Archbishop LeFebvre was invalidly excommunicated and didn't fade away, that they had a problem.  They expected him to die out.   He didn't.  And they couldn't really get to him as easily as they were able to before.  One of the most providential injustices against LeFebvre was the excommunications. Which just goes to show you how God writes straight with crooked lines. 

Mahony has been doing incalculable damage to the Church and souls for decades precisely because he finds ways to "play within the rules."   It's a classic following the letter of the law and ignoring its spirit.  If Mahony were to stop that in some mad powerplay to topple the papacy, the rest of the liberals would cut him off completely and leave him to hang.  There is no honor amongst thieves. 

Do you think Mahony wants to imitate the hard work and devotion of Archbishop LeFebvre?  Do you think Mahony would be blessed by God for his true disobedience in the same way Archbishop LeFebvre was for his refusal to give false obedience?  No.  Mahony and any followers he could gather around him would be dried up and whithered away in a very short time.   And the damage to the Church would be that much lessened.

As far as the laeity goes, what Traditionalist wouldn't want Mahony to go?  What conservative wouldn't want Mahony to go?  The Trads would want him to go because of everything he is and stands for and believes in.  The conservatives would want him to go because the Pope wants him to go.   Ignorant liberal Catholics would want him to go because it would look to them like a real schism in the Catholic Church instead of a cutting off of dead wood from the tree.  Mahony claims to be Catholic, he would not get as much sympathy in the media because of his liberalism, the anti-Catholicism would override any real support for him.  His allies outside the Church would not even recognize him as an ally. 

I would love for Mahony to push the Pope into that kind of confrontation.   The restoration of the Church would come about that much quicker. 

Well said.
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#64
Gerard, Cardinal Mahony is part of God's Will too. Maybe if we prayed some Rosaries for him, God would convert his heart even to the spirit of the Archbishop and his spiritual sons.
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#65
(01-08-2010, 12:37 PM)GodFirst Wrote: Gerard, Cardinal Mahony is part of God's Will too. Maybe if we prayed some Rosaries for him, God would convert his heart even to the spirit of the Archbishop and his spiritual sons.

He may be part of God's permissive Will, but definitely not part of God's positive Will. He submits his retirement papers in February, 2011.

Better to spend more time praying for a holy replacement, who no doubt has one big mess to clean up. Pray for Mahony's soul, even if he laughs at those who do.
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