Randy Engel's book Rite of sodomy
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Such unsupported accusations should nt be bandied about without solid evidence. As a "plain Monsignor" Monitini was one of the most important members of the Curia during the Papacy of Pius XII. The latter did not appoint a Cardinal Secretary of State (the position he had himself held under his predecessor) after the death in 1944 of Cardinal Magline and throughout the 2nd World War Mgr Montini, who had served directly under the then Cardinal Pacelli as Sosituto for Ordinary Affairs,  held the same position being appointed along with the future Cardinal Tardini as joint head of the Secretariat of State. He held this psition until being appopinted Archbishop of Milan in 1954. Montini was hated by both the left and right - he was an uncompromising anti-Fascist and indefatigable in his support for those persecuted for cmmunism. It was he who arranged the rescue of tens of thousands of refugees.

Pius VI is unfairly blamed for the worst reforms of the 2nd Vatican Council, but is responsibile for failing to stand up to the liberal progressives who abused the changes by forcing changes such as the vernacular Mass. He was also over hasty in his unnecessary reforms of the Vatican court, etc, but it was not he but his immediate successor who - for example - did away with the Papal coronation (which Paul VI had made mandatory in the 1975 Church Constitution). .

Paul VI was not a liberal as we understand this to mean in the present era; he did not support women priests, the end of priestly celibacy, the ordination of active homosexuals, etc. Neither was he the instigator of many of the changes that were ultimately  adopted by the Council - although Pius XII had expected Montini rather than Roncalli to succeed him, this was perhaps because both of them came from the same Curia and social background and shared so much. Montini, however, had been on the sharp end of dealing with the very different post War world and felt it was essential that the Church engage more with other Christian Churches. JP I and JP II were the first Popes to be elected from outside the Curia since Pius X (Roncalli, John XXIII had spent most of his later career as a Nuncio) and had a very different perspective to their predecessors - but that too was a weakness. I do not believe that any Papabili Cardinal could have changed the course set by John XXIII - indeed had the latter lived I doubt the result would have been much different. The present Pontiff was himself at the heart of these changes and it has taken forty years to revrese the abuses, because it is those which most traditionalists surely object to. The wholesale abandonment of Catholic liturgical practices - kneeling for communion, rceeiving it on the tongue, genuflecting before the Blessed Sacrament, the failure to make the sign of the cross when appropriate, etc, were certainly not favoured by Paul VI but are the fault in the US and elsewhere of a lax and often incompetent Episcpacy, the majority of whom were appointed by John Paul II.
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Re: Randy Engel's book Rite of sodomy - by Gerard - 12-26-2009, 10:52 AM
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