Is Alcoholism Genetic?
#31
Science really should be thrown out the window in a lot of cases...

(01-10-2010, 04:23 PM)tradmaverick Wrote: EDIT to add: Oh and btw, we all know modern science is FULL of errors, look at geology, the theory of evolution, archaeology and medicine....absolutely full of errors.

Right, that's why I don't trust a lot of what science says.

I have to agree that it is most likely a cultural/environmental thing now that I think about it. Around here everyone is Irish or Ulster-Scots even the Southern Baptists that have never had a drop in their lives...if it was genetic then those Baptists would be big drinkers like the rest of us. Instead they just turn their noses up at it and act all high and mighty which incidentally is very annoying.  ;D

pax


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#32
(01-10-2010, 04:27 PM)tradmaverick Wrote:
(01-10-2010, 02:54 PM)Inion_Coinin Wrote: [They all come from harsh, cold climates.

Are you going to take this back or not? Its flat out wrong. (Well I dont know about mongolia or where eskimos live...but I do know my own country)
Take it back?  It was just an idea, one that is based on observable phenomenon.  Could it be completely wrong?  Sure.. but there's no need for me to take it back.  Dang... why the hostility?  We're just discussing ideas here.  BTW.. I come from mostly Irish ancestry, and from that I can tell you that alcoholism does seem to be an issue for the Irish.  I'm not saying it's not also an issue for others.  Calm down boy.
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#33
Maybe it's all just another filthy Masonic conspiracy?  Or http://www.genomeweb.com/genetic-studies...treatmentshttp://www.nida.nih.gov/tib/genetics.html, http://www.drugabuse.gov/pdf/monographs/66.pdf

Course, random guys on the internet know more about this than those scientists,  so I'd take their word over the journal articles any day.
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#34
(01-10-2010, 05:52 PM)Magnificat Wrote: Course, random guys on the internet know more about this than those scientists,  so I'd take their word over the journal articles any day.

I know I always do!  ;D

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#35
(01-10-2010, 05:53 PM)BrevisVir55 Wrote:
(01-10-2010, 05:52 PM)Magnificat Wrote: Course, random guys on the internet know more about this than those scientists,  so I'd take their word over the journal articles any day.

I know I always do!  ;D

:laughing:
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#36
(01-10-2010, 05:52 PM)Magnificat Wrote: Maybe it's all just another filthy Masonic conspiracy?  Or http://www.genomeweb.com/genetic-studies...treatmentshttp://www.nida.nih.gov/tib/genetics.html, http://www.drugabuse.gov/pdf/monographs/66.pdf

Course, random guys on the internet know more about this than those scientists,  so I'd take their word over the journal articles any day.

I did enjoy reading those.  Thanks, Magnificat.

However, from the second article link:
Quote:Studies of identical twins indicate that as much as half of an individual's risk of becoming addicted to nicotine, alcohol, or other drugs depends on his or her genes.
This is untrue.  It proves nothing.  Twins, esp identical twins, share a very similar womb environment, and that fact alone--not genes--may predispose them to the same types of addictions, illnesses, temperaments, etc.
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#37
(01-10-2010, 05:35 PM)Inion_Coinin Wrote: Take it back?  It was just an idea, one that is based on observable phenomenon.  Could it be completely wrong?  Sure.. but there's no need for me to take it back.  Dang... why the hostility?  We're just discussing ideas here.  BTW.. I come from mostly Irish ancestry, and from that I can tell you that alcoholism does seem to be an issue for the Irish.  I'm not saying it's not also an issue for others.  Calm down boy.

What observable phenomenon? That Ireland is cold? Its not.

So what if you come from Irish ancestry, 99% of all the people I know in the world are born and raised Irish. I know my own country like I know myself. And I am telling YOU it is not a problem.

Even if your genetic theory were true, which it is not, then it most be from some other race in your blood....not the Irish.

And you still havent proved your point! You said you learned theses ideas in 'human physiology classes' Come on Im waiting..... bs'ers really really get to me
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#38
I guess aggression and rudeness are no problem with the Irish, either. Nope, not at all.
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#39
(01-10-2010, 07:04 PM)Satori Wrote: I guess aggression and rudeness are no problem with the Irish, either. Nope, not at all.

excuse me? Shes is the one who accused an entire race of people of being notorius alchoholics? She is the one being rude.

I think a bit of aggression is a reasonable response to such an accusation.
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#40
one of the many, many A&D counsellors I was involved with as a youth once told me that an alcoholic is born that way, and an alcohol addict is somebody who develops addiction later, during life.
Dunno how true it is. Those rehab crowds are idiots. If you're an opiate addict they tell you you can never drink again. That's just stpid.
None of them have ever thought to attempt to educate people in responsible drinking behaviour. Yet the first time I asked a priest ofr help on problematic drinking, he set me straight.
Funny huh.
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