The Church fathers on women
Quote: The problem was posed by lolanthe. The man threw out his wife's pants right after the honeymoon (I'm assuming to the surprise of his newly wedded wife). There's only a "problem" if the wife refuses to obey, or agrees to obey and harbors resentment. She needs to decide what's more important - pleasing her husband or pleasing herself.
  JayneK just got done writing that everyone agrees a man shouldn't abuse his authority.  None of us have defended that action, however we maintain that she has to obey.  It sucks, granted.  She has the option to involve the priest.  A lousy situation, but not the end of the world.

But the important mistake on lolanthe is to attribute this case to the Church's teaching on women.  No, as I pointed out, this is a case of a youngster, being married for only a week, screwing up.  Furthermore, Lolanthe gave examples of a wife getting beat up, 4 drunks not working, and a father/son pulling a gun on a girl as bad treatment of women resulting from what the Church teaches.  That is slander against the Church.

But let's use a more realistic example you will encounter.  Suppose a husband decides that he is getting rid of the TV in the house (to be specific, he is canceling the cable service).  Now he does it in a respectful way.  He talks to his wife.  While watching TV he points out the filth that gets sneaked in, and gets her opinion.  Let us say she doesn't want to get rid of the TV.  She has shows she like to watch.  So in the end, he uses his authority and makes the decision.  The cable is removed.  The Church clearly teaches that the wife has to obey.

Now I could use the same arguments.  Oh, he is treating her like a child.  She has her shows she likes, so he is abusing her, treating her like a slave.  She is an adult and can make her own entertainment decisions, blah, blah, blah.  Doesn't matter, she has to obey.
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The Church fathers on women - by Metatron - 02-09-2010, 01:11 AM
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Re: The Church fathers on women - by Historian - 02-16-2010, 09:48 AM
Re: The Church fathers on women - by JayneK - 02-16-2010, 01:52 PM
Re: The Church fathers on women - by Historian - 02-16-2010, 04:10 PM
Re: The Church fathers on women - by JayneK - 02-16-2010, 04:39 PM
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Re: The Church fathers on women - by INPEFESS - 02-16-2010, 05:37 PM
Re: The Church fathers on women - by Historian - 02-16-2010, 06:27 PM
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Re: The Church fathers on women - by Scipio_a - 02-16-2010, 06:41 PM
Re: The Church fathers on women - by JayneK - 02-16-2010, 06:52 PM
Re: The Church fathers on women - by JayneK - 02-16-2010, 07:12 PM
Re: The Church fathers on women - by James02 - 02-16-2010, 07:52 PM
Re: The Church fathers on women - by Mommie2Boys - 02-16-2010, 08:36 PM
Re: The Church fathers on women - by James02 - 02-16-2010, 09:39 PM
Re: The Church fathers on women - by Historian - 02-17-2010, 09:51 AM
Re: The Church fathers on women - by JayneK - 02-21-2010, 04:47 PM
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