Why would God create a soul he knows will go to Hell?
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(02-15-2010, 02:51 AM)albert Wrote:
(02-14-2010, 04:37 AM)Iuvenalis Wrote: If he can create one soul that will go to heaven (and he has and does), and that is not a violation of Augustine's free will to have created his soul thusly, why not all souls this way?

OK.  So you choose to ignore my argument that He doesn’t create a soul that does anything.  All the souls God creates are good, whether they end up in hell or not via their free will.  So fine.  Ignore that.

Simmer down, I don't remember reading whatever you said. If I did read it, I may have ignored it as not answering the question that I asked because several answers thus far have implied I think God is some sort of divine watchmaker, that he makes sinners' souls and saints' and sets the gears into motion like we're wind-up toys.

I did say that I'm assuming omniscience, that is to say, God knows what will happen. So an answer like what you gave (upon re-read) misses my point.

So: a)God knows who will and will not persevere. He has this infinite, perfect knowledge. b)God makes souls c)God tells us it is better to have no been born than to betray him (Mark 14:21, Matt 26:24) aka 'turn away' aka 'go to Hell' etc. There are these situations like Judas, where God acknowledges it would have been better to not have been born.

So, I'm just saying, if God knows what a soul (with free will) will do, he could just not bring said soul into being. It's not the same as forcing you to do something it is only making those he knows will persevere finally.

It is different.

(02-15-2010, 02:51 AM)albert Wrote: Something else.  Your question carries a hidden assumption, that less souls or no souls in hell would be preferable.  To the contrary, I think that God would have created the human race even if only one of us went to heaven.  It’s not a numbers game.  It’s a justice game.  And justice is good, no matter what the numbers work out to. 
No, that assumption is not 'hidden.' It is quite overt. And yes, less or no souls in Hell would be preferable. God says so.

If God would have created the human race if only one of us went to heaven or not, I have no idea...

Apparently it is a numbers game, as I am under the impression God created us to know him and love him in this life and the next. God, in his triune perfection, nonetheless, wanted our love. Love cannot be given to one's self, thus he created us. So, it is a numbers game, as one (God) was apparently a 'lonely' number.

(02-15-2010, 02:51 AM)albert Wrote: Furthermore, you ignore the aesthetic value derived from the souls in hell by the souls in heaven.  There is real joy, real satisfaction felt when witnessing some semblance of justice in this unjust world.  – Here's Looking at You, Kid, Albert Cipriani
"Aesthetic value" derived some eternally tormented souls?! You're sick man.

(02-15-2010, 02:51 AM)albert Wrote: I can hardly wait to get an eyeball full of perfect justice in the next world. 
Wow. It's hard to know where to start with this line...
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