Why would God create a soul he knows will go to Hell?
(02-18-2011, 06:36 PM)Malleus Haereticorum Wrote:
(02-17-2011, 06:00 PM)voxpopulisuxx Wrote:
(02-17-2011, 03:53 PM)Malleus Haereticorum Wrote:
(02-16-2011, 04:40 AM)voxpopulisuxx Wrote: The purpose of creation is Jesus
My happiness is a benifit of that purpose. The catichism is contectually about why the individual was Born, and what his purpose is ...but
man was created to bring forth Christ.
You asserted that God could lie if he wanted too...I asserted that he could do no more then he could sin. He cannot lie because he can never stop being God.
There's nothing silly about properly posting in the forum, in fact the forum rules request proper quoting.

No the Purpose of Creation is HEAVEN.   If you dont get there you have let Jesus down.

There is no true Happiness until we GET to heaven - this world is a vale of tears.

And as for Man being born to bring forth Christ  - you have that Backwards.  Christ was born to Redeem Man from his defection from GOD By the sin of Adam and all that came with that Sin.

I never one time asserted anything of the sort and I hereby challenge you to Cut and paste SPECIFICALLY Where what you claim is found.  I never called GOD A Liar , but as of right now I am calling you one.   For the last and FINAL Time , I never said anything of the sort and I Demand you either post proof or retract your lie about what you claim I said.

I am not going to Comment on the balance because I have no reason to "defend" something I never said.  My suggestion - go back and reread what I wrote , its obvious you are not using the Forum the way it is intended - IE In context.   

I'll defend the things I say -  not the things you imagine.
I retract it if I said it I didnt. Show me and if your right Ill mea culpa. All I said was that God Cannot lie...you asserted there is nothing God cant do.
JESUS is HEAVEN....JESUS is the reason for everything...anywhere Jesus is there is Heaven.....the purpose of God the father creating everything is to reveal His Son which is the Image of LOVE itself. Humans were saved by Christ, but Christ existed before man needed Salvation. Jesus is everything.

Ram Nonsense - you claimed that I said GOD can lie - I said GOD is Omnipotent - hardly the same thing - you assumed and ran with it case closed and BTW I forgive you for your faux pax even if youyr pride prevents it.   

Jesus isnt Heaven - Heaven is a created place - GOD is greater.   Jesus is GOD - Just as GOD the Father is GOD just as the Holy Ghost is GOD When we say in the Apostles Creed Jesus Was Crucified died and was buried he "Descended into Hell" - did that then turn Hell into Heaven if Heaven is everywhere Jesus is?
All I asked brother is to show me the post or quote the thread where I said you said God is a liar. I actually cant find it...cause If I did assert or imply that I would be horribly wrong because I know you would never say that. WHat I was trying to assert was that your position has a certain logical conclusions. And one of them is that God COULD lie if he wanted too. Not that he did.
Also Heaven:
In Holy Scripture it is called:

the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 5:3),
the kingdom of God (Mark 9:46),
the kingdom of the Father (Matthew 13:43),
the kingdom of Christ (Luke 22:30),
the house of the Father (John 14:2),
city of God, the heavenly Jerusalem (Hebrews 12),
the holy place (Hebrews 9:12; D.V. holies),
paradise (2 Corinthians 12:4),
life (Matthew 7:14),
life everlasting (Matthew 19:16),
the joy of the Lord (Matthew 25:21),
crown of life (James 1:12),
crown of justice (2 Timothy  4:8  ),
crown of glory (1 Peter 5:4),
incorruptible crown (1 Corinthians 9:25),
great reward (Matthew 5:12),
inheritance of Christ (Ephesians 1:18),
eternal inheritance (Hebrews 9:15).

While it may be accidentally true that Heaven has a border and defined location, it also may not be true at all. Not in the sense we corporal creatures comprehend time and space. When I say Jesus is heaven I speak the Truth that Jesus Spoke. Jesus said I am IN my Father and my Father is IN me......further the faithful are defined as those who are IN Christ. And that the Kingdome heaven is within...and that we the faithfull are part of the Mystical Body of Christ.....JESUS IS HEAVEN
As for Hell, the hell Jesus visited was not the hell of the damned but the old testament place abode of the dead...and yes when Christ descended into Hell it became Heaven for those captives who were Holy and Christs almighty majesty burned away all darkness and the fetters of death for His chosen.
I would suggest that it is your pride that makes you think your creation serves a seperate purpose beyond that of giving Glory to Jesus Christ. All creation was brought forth for HIS Glory not our happiness. God does not need our Love, but desires it for OUR GOOD.
Catholic Enyclopedia:
God made all things for His objective honour and glory. Every creature was to manifest His Divine perfections by becoming a likeness of God, each according to its capacity. But man is capable of becoming in the greatest and most perfect manner a likeness of God, when he knows and loves His infinite perfections with a knowledge and love analogous to God's own love and knowledge. Therefore man is created to know God and to love Him. Moreover, this knowledge and love is to be eternal; for such is man's capability and his calling, because his soul is immortal. Lastly, to know God and to love Him is the noblest occupation of the human mind, and consequently also its supreme happiness. Therefore man is created for eternal happiness; and he will infallibly attain it hereafter, unless, by sin, he renders himself unworthy of so high a destiny.
God made all things for His formal glory, which consists in the knowledge and love shown Him by rational creatures. Irrational creatures cannot give formal glory to God directly, but they should assist rational creatures in doing so. This they can do by manifesting God's perfections and by rendering other services; whilst rational creatures should, by their own personal knowledge and love of God, refer and direct all creatures to Him as their last end. Therefore every intelligent creature in general, and man in particular, is destined to know and love God for ever, though he may forfeit eternal happiness by sin.

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Re: Why would God create a soul he knows will go to Hell? - by voxpopulisuxx - 02-19-2011, 11:16 AM

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