Post V2 Catholic Evangelization
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Thanks for the sarchasm, Vetus Ordo. You’re a real mench.

CrusaderKing Wrote:JW's and Mormons aren't Christian, they are cults. The Protestants aren't true churches, as the current Pontiff has said.

True, but I was being as liberal as I could. In counting groups other than Catholics under the umbrella of a broader – note the “quotes” – “Christianity,” I was trying to be as generous with percentages as I could.* Not counting groups like Protestants and Mormons, the gross numbers of Christians dwindle to 1/6 or 1/7 of the world population. Not neglecting the strenuous efforts of missionaries, the numbers are unimpressive for a group that’s been at work for two millennia.

• Then, again, the various sects mentioned would not exist historically if Catholicism did not precede them.



Quote:Practicing Catholics usually at a hefty percentage rate believe in the Real Presence, but few who go to the Novus Ordo go to Confession.

It depends on the area. I’ve been to Confession when I was the only guy in line, and I’ve been to places where I have had to literally wait on line for an hour for a free priest. I’ll grant that the sense of sin is not what it was, but that owes more to broader cultural forces than specifically to the Council.*

• The effects of affluences and the influences of modern, popular psychology deserve much of the credit for this.



Quote:Go to your average Novus Ordo parish, and you'll find few families headed by couples 40 years old and under who have more than three kids. This could be in some cases due to issues like infertility, but more often it's more than likely due to the fact they are practicing contraception.

No debate there.



Quote:Relatively few priests who say the NOM preach against contraception in their homilies.

True, but I have to say I cannot recall an SSPX priest ever doing the same after years of listening to dozens of them at Mass. There are some topics which are delicate, and many priests might consider this one of them. More preaching on the “life issues” is needed all around. 



Quote:And as far as post V2 evangelization, that is really nill these days.  We have been dealt with a major guilt complex, and evangelization in the post-conciliar Church is dealt with hesitantly, if not at all

Evangelization is dealt with all the time. Just search the Vatican’s website. It can be further argued that the African synod of last fall – the second in history, if memory serves – was motivated with the continued evangelization of the continent in mind.



Quote:You keep conflating the terms "Catholic" and "Christian" which is at times misleading. Catholics are Christians, Orthodox are schismatics, Protestants do not belong to true churches, so any conversion to any Protestant denomination by anyone in Africa or Asia only means they are getting an incomplete and many times false messages.

See above.



Quote:As far as thinking outside the West, you sidestep the fact the Church has lost many adherents in Latin America, and even the Philippines is having a vocations crisis.

Yes, but I fail to see how that is exclusively the failure of the Church of the last fifty years as opposed to the Church of the last 100, 200 or 500 years.



As for the much-bemoaned survey of Catholics showing the apparently abysmal orthodoxy of many, the Catholic Answers Forum has done a treatment of this subject:  http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=210649

While adult catechism definitively needs work, the way the poll was worded was especially confusing. There is more than a good chance that many of us FishEaters would – according to set-up of the survey – disbelieve in the Real Presence.

Don’t ever trust polls, their lies, lies, lies.
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Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by Ockham - 03-16-2010, 08:42 PM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by glgas - 03-16-2010, 08:57 PM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by Nic - 03-16-2010, 10:09 PM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by Credo - 03-17-2010, 06:12 AM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by glgas - 03-17-2010, 07:12 AM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by Ockham - 03-17-2010, 08:07 AM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by Ockham - 03-17-2010, 08:14 AM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by Ockham - 03-17-2010, 05:50 PM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by Credo - 03-17-2010, 10:13 PM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by Credo - 03-17-2010, 10:15 PM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by Credo - 03-21-2010, 07:56 PM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by James02 - 03-21-2010, 08:03 PM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by Credo - 03-21-2010, 08:16 PM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by James02 - 03-21-2010, 08:55 PM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by James02 - 03-21-2010, 09:03 PM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by James02 - 03-21-2010, 09:06 PM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by Credo - 03-21-2010, 11:08 PM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by James02 - 03-22-2010, 12:07 AM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by Nic - 03-22-2010, 12:14 AM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by Nic - 03-22-2010, 12:27 AM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by sheep101 - 03-22-2010, 01:18 AM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by Credo - 03-22-2010, 06:18 AM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by Ockham - 03-22-2010, 09:34 AM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by Credo - 03-22-2010, 02:17 PM



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