Post V2 Catholic Evangelization
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(03-21-2010, 07:56 PM)Credo Wrote:
Quote:It depends on the area. I’ve been to Confession when I was the only guy in line, and I’ve been to places where I have had to literally wait on line for an hour for a free priest. I’ll grant that the sense of sin is not what it was, but that owes more to broader cultural forces than specifically to the Council.*

• The effects of affluences and the influences of modern, popular psychology deserve much of the credit for this.

I think it's more due to the time of the year than the area. During Advent and Lent, especially just before Christmas and Easter, the lines or the wait to the Confessional will be longer than other times of the year.

I think blaming the culture is a cop out, for various reasons, as I've pointed out in past posts.

1)The Church grew amidst the culture of pagan, decadent Rome during its first three centuries of its existence, in spite of the fact they were surrounded by a degenerate culture at the time, which in many ways, resembles our own. Hugh Hefner and his fellow travelers would have felt right at home there. If the Church is in good shape, chances are the culture will be too, and if it's in bad shape, ditto the culture. Even Fr. John Corapi said that several years ago.


2) Those who promoted, defended, lauded, etc.Vatican II promised us a renewal, more vocations, conversions, reverts, Mass attendance and participation in the Sacraments, etc. but the exact opposite happened. In fact, the things that were supposed to go up went down, and the things that were supposed to go down went up.   







Quote:True, but I have to say I cannot recall an SSPX priest ever doing the same after years of listening to dozens of them at Mass. There are some topics which are delicate, and many priests might consider this one of them. More preaching on the “life issues” is needed all around.

My guess is that it would be a case of "preaching to the choir" when you have more than a few attendees who have families of 6 or 7 kids. To them, it's a given regarding life issues. Still, a reminder every now and then certainly doesn't hurt regardless of which TLM one attends. 



Quote:And as far as post V2 evangelization, that is really nill these days.  We have been dealt with a major guilt complex, and evangelization in the post-conciliar Church is dealt with hesitantly, if not at all

Quote:Evangelization is dealt with all the time. Just search the Vatican’s website. It can be further argued that the African synod of last fall – the second in history, if memory serves – was motivated with the continued evangelization of the continent in mind.


This begs the questions: Why is the Vatican motivated with evangelizing Africa when prelates such as Cardinal Walter Kasper and Bishop William Lori, among others, say it isn't necessary to convert to Catholicism to be saved? They've said this about Protestants and Jews, among other faiths.

What exactly is the type of Catholicism they are trying to convert the Africans to? Is it one where false forms of inculturation are widespread, as well as liturgical abuse so prevelant in the NOM? If so, why bother? They'd be better off trying to convert them through some of the Eastern Catholic Rites, such as the Ge'ez Rite.


Quote:As far as thinking outside the West, you sidestep the fact the Church has lost many adherents in Latin America, and even the Philippines is having a vocations crisis

Quote:Yes, but I fail to see how that is exclusively the failure of the Church of the last fifty years as opposed to the Church of the last 100, 200 or 500 years.

Well, you did say to "think outside the West" so I gave a couple of examples or so to demonstrate that it's not just a Western or cultural phenomenon.  Not to mention the policy of dialogue, convergence, and peaceful co-existence that the Church has, for the most part, adopted post Vatican II.
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Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by Ockham - 03-16-2010, 08:42 PM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by glgas - 03-16-2010, 08:57 PM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by Nic - 03-16-2010, 10:09 PM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by Credo - 03-17-2010, 06:12 AM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by glgas - 03-17-2010, 07:12 AM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by Ockham - 03-17-2010, 08:07 AM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by Ockham - 03-17-2010, 08:14 AM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by Ockham - 03-17-2010, 05:50 PM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by Credo - 03-17-2010, 10:13 PM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by Credo - 03-17-2010, 10:15 PM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by Credo - 03-21-2010, 07:56 PM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by James02 - 03-21-2010, 08:03 PM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by Credo - 03-21-2010, 08:16 PM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by James02 - 03-21-2010, 08:55 PM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by James02 - 03-21-2010, 09:03 PM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by James02 - 03-21-2010, 09:06 PM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by CrusaderKing - 03-21-2010, 09:14 PM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by Credo - 03-21-2010, 11:08 PM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by James02 - 03-22-2010, 12:07 AM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by Nic - 03-22-2010, 12:14 AM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by Nic - 03-22-2010, 12:27 AM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by sheep101 - 03-22-2010, 01:18 AM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by Credo - 03-22-2010, 06:18 AM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by Ockham - 03-22-2010, 09:34 AM
Re: Post V2 Catholic Evangelization - by Credo - 03-22-2010, 02:17 PM



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