Should Pope Benedict condemn Paul VI and John Paul II over the clergy abuse?
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winoblue, I think the day is swiftly approaching when B16 will figure out the SSPX are truly his friends and not his enemies as some like to portray them.  Unfortunately, when that day comes, I think we will see a martyrdom - not necessarily literally in blood, but "the Holy Father will have much to suffer."

I'm starting to wonder if Fatima was actually about B16's pontificate not JP2's....
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(03-31-2010, 01:29 AM)QuisUtDeus Wrote: I'm starting to wonder if Fatima was actually about B16's pontificate not JP2's....

Isn't that rich? The man that said that Fatima was about JP2 is the one that it is actually referring to..

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(03-30-2010, 08:52 PM)QuisUtDeus Wrote:
(03-30-2010, 02:27 PM)McNider Wrote: I agree with DK. Condemnations of his predecessor would only make things worse. He must weather the storm.

It's pretty clear that the Pope is doing a good job. If he wasn't, the world wouldn't be trying to get rid of him.

I also agree with DK.  Fix the problem; blame is useless.

I am not sure blame is useless.  Properly applied blame buries something for at least several generations and makes it totally unpalatable until the stain of blame has been forgotten.

Ex-Communists were never blamed for sending 60 million people to their deaths in gulags.  Commies are still running China and are powerful billionaires.  Same thing in Russia.  Communism and particularly socialism are still popular in the world despite the fact that we've seen where these end up.  Witness the Health Care bill.

Ex-Nazis on the other hand...

The major difference in the treatment of these two highly flawed political ideas is blame.

Eugenics, an evil idea if ever there was one, which would be a useful tool in the hands of modern secularists especially with their ability to apply it in non-crude methods has been so tainted by the Nazi's adoption of it that even today mainstream thinking is against its use.  From a secular atheist's perspective eugenics makes a LOT more sense than a one-child policy for example.
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(03-31-2010, 02:02 AM)winoblue1 Wrote:
(03-31-2010, 01:29 AM)QuisUtDeus Wrote: I'm starting to wonder if Fatima was actually about B16's pontificate not JP2's....

Isn't that rich? The man that said that Fatima was about JP2 is the one that it is actually referring to..

Yep, and the man who signed off on the idea that it "Fatima belongs to the past" and the exciting bits were nothing more than the "pious thoughts of young peasant children" and that "the secret has been revealed here in its entirety" may soon find....

GOD DOES IRONY.
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(03-30-2010, 08:48 PM)ILoveChineseMoonCakes Wrote: Holy Father Pope Benedict 16 should declare that all Popes since 1958 were invalid and masonic. Therefore, they were not true Popes. Then bring in Cardinal Siri.

So the Church had no Pope for 4 decades or so? Tsk Tsk
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If B16 were to blame Paul VI and JP II he would be very much blaming himself as he too is Peter.
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(03-31-2010, 07:27 AM)Orville_B_Croft Wrote: If B16 were to blame Paul VI and JP II he would be very much blaming himself as he too is Peter.

Only poetically, they are all individual successors of St. Peter and they are all separate Vicars of Christ.  When they die, they are no longer Pope, though their pronouncements as Pope still hold in varying cases. 
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(03-31-2010, 02:09 AM)ggreg Wrote:
(03-31-2010, 02:02 AM)winoblue1 Wrote:
(03-31-2010, 01:29 AM)QuisUtDeus Wrote: I'm starting to wonder if Fatima was actually about B16's pontificate not JP2's....

Isn't that rich? The man that said that Fatima was about JP2 is the one that it is actually referring to..

Yep, and the man who signed off on the idea that it "Fatima belongs to the past" and the exciting bits were nothing more than the "pious thoughts of young peasant children" and that "the secret has been revealed here in its entirety" may soon find....

GOD DOES IRONY.


Pray that Benedict XVI has the strength to do what is right.  I think he does and I think he will do so soon.  He's going to Fatima in 6 weeks.  With regard to Quis' comment about martyrdom, I think actual physical martyrdom is still a distinct possibility.
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