Alumnus says anti-semitism ruled sspx seminary
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There is a stripe of traditionalist who goes further than simply pointing out this nation's faults to the point of pointing out nothing about this country *except* its faults.  This set will often idealize beyond proportion some dead European kingdom or empire which, being dead and in Europe, they don't actually have to live in and whose faults they don't have to put up with.  America is lame from birth on account of Protestantism, Freemasonry, the Englightenment, and now Judaism.  But for such a lame child it has achieved an awful lot and NOT ALL OF THAT IS BAD.  Given the choice between the Masonic regimes in Europe and the one in America, millions of Catholics chose the one in America.  In a world of *real, living countries* even a country with massive imperfections can stand out from the rest provided the rest have even more massive imperfections.  And a number of rad Catholic trads would not be caught dead saying something complementary about this country.  We are more than the sum of our vices and I don't blame traditionalists who get stuck being lectured on why they should be critical of their country and never hear the country's benefits and blessings extolled. 
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#22
And furthermore, Catholics have a right to disagree on the prudence of wars in the Middle East and our alliance with Israel.  There is no official Catholic position on this.  I think the opponents to the Iraq War and the anti-Zionists do their own argument a disservice and provoke others when they act as though it is somehow blatantly obvious what the "Catholic" position on this is. 

Which is not to say that neoconservatism is right.  There are big problems with it.  But one of those problems is NOT that there is some official Catholic position on which of the multiple actors in the Middle East is more or less worthy of support.  Even Thomas Fleming of Chronicles Magazine, a friend of Pat Buchanan, says it would be foolish to break off the alliance with Israel. 
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#23
(04-03-2010, 05:12 PM)Gerard Wrote:
(04-03-2010, 04:45 PM)Scipio_a Wrote: Yep...So far I'm seeing squat and BS

And I don't means Pryors

The reason for that is either blindness or stupidity.   Try harder to follow along.

Quote: Some people need to relax and stop thinking that being any particular stripe of conservative makes you at odds with the Faith if it is not exactly the Ron Paul kind.

Well nobody's talking about "any particular stripe of conservative."   We're talking about ONE particular type of conservative.   Can't you figure that out?   

Quote: If +Willy had EVER pulled some 9/11 shit in the pulpit...he would have heard me loud and clear....and so would have everyone else...yep.

What is THAT supposed to demonstrate? Notice the macho, knee-jerk reaction. That's brainwashing for you. Not time to think, just reject it on a gut level.  It's been ingrained that it's unthinkable that 9/11 was anything other than "savage towelheads attacking us for our freedom."   They not only hijacked planes, they hijacked Islam--a religion of "Peace." That's the dogma now. 


Quote: +Fellay is not "selling out" and +Willy was not tossed under the bus.  Laying low is the smart play here and that's what they're doing.

Oh yeah, give your enemy what it wants.  Always the smart move. Right.

Quote: And by the way, if there is a sell out! +Williamson does not have to do anything....it has already been done, it is called the SSPV, I have already walked you people through this scenario...relax.

Some of us don't buy the sedevacantist argument, so that's not the preferred option. 

You're high strung...

And the SSPV is not sedevacantist...get it right

the rest of the above post is nonsense
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(04-03-2010, 09:51 PM)Scipio_a Wrote: You're high strung... 

What I am is right and you're full of crap. 

Quote: And the SSPV is not sedevacantist...get it right 

Fine. They're "confused."  Which is again, simply not a preferred option.  Start a new thread somewhere else. 

Quote: the rest of the above post is nonsense

As if your assertions are self-evident truths.  This is why you're lying when you cry "nonsense" and "BS."  Because you are the one who trots on here as if someone really is edified by your worthless, unsupported assertions, I'd say they're opinions, but opinions have to have at least some thought behind them. Your assertions are utterly worthless. 

But if you want to just vomit out more knee jerk crap just like your "valiant" claim about how you'd pop off unreasonably if Bishop W said anything against your brainwashed, Zombiefied perversion of genuine patriotism, go ahead.  Impress yourself since you couldn't even defend it as anything other than hollow posturing.

Puerile vomiters like yourself act all tough when it comes to standing up and wanting to cheer in a crowd, but once you get beyond your cliches and slogans, you're just intellectually dishonest cowards. 

Go ahead and stand up and shout while the Bishop talks.  It's only because you'd be utterly terrified to actually sit down with him and discuss something rationally.  Like all bullies when you actually have to show some guts and go face someone one on one without all the false bravado, you'd scamper like a beaten dog. 

That's why it's easier (and lazier) and dishonest of you to call my responses nonsense. 

You don't even have a clue as to what is going on with this evil S. O. B Pryor and how he's targeting you, not Williamson.  You just see someone taking a shot at Williamson and you want to pile on.  How heroic! 

Happy Easter. 



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#25
As the victor of the two World wars, without real suffering either in manpower or in material damages, the US had the opportunity to help the world to resolve the problems.

The Marshall Plan rebuild Europe, and to keep the war dividend (progressive taxation of the wealthy as a remainder of the wars)  and using the result for the welfare of the whole population and most importantly for the Research and Development for the benefit of the whole world, made the US to the moral leader of world.

Then the greed took over the Republican Party, they abolished the progressive taxation, started to overtax the middle c.lass, abandoned the Research and Development, which would benefit the whole world, started unjust wars, sold out the country to the usurers, and turned a formely Christian country, to the slave of the Greed, Mammon.

The tragedfy of the Catholics in the US is that honoring lip service against the action, the majority of the US Cathilocs support all of this, claiming that this is the lesser evil.

(04-03-2010, 08:31 PM)Bonifacius Wrote: There is a stripe of traditionalist who goes further than simply pointing out this nation's faults to the point of pointing out nothing about this country *except* its faults.  This set will often idealize beyond proportion some dead European kingdom or empire which, being dead and in Europe, they don't actually have to live in and whose faults they don't have to put up with.  America is lame from birth on account of Protestantism, Freemasonry, the Englightenment, and now Judaism.  But for such a lame child it has achieved an awful lot and NOT ALL OF THAT IS BAD.  Given the choice between the Masonic regimes in Europe and the one in America, millions of Catholics chose the one in America.  In a world of *real, living countries* even a country with massive imperfections can stand out from the rest provided the rest have even more massive imperfections.  And a number of rad Catholic trads would not be caught dead saying something complementary about this country.  We are more than the sum of our vices and I don't blame traditionalists who get stuck being lectured on why they should be critical of their country and never hear the country's benefits and blessings extolled. 
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#26
Gererard I'm.a bit disapointed in you. The only sounding brain washed here is you.
Did scipio say he belived the zionist take? I offered an interesdting point as to which nation ebenifited but alas u seem to be the kidnt hat sees jews under every rock too. Hasdit ever occured to you seeing jews under every rock or behind every single thing and event of any magnitude only suits zionists goals of dominence in regards to thought and conversation? Think about it. I know u and others just belive it was the alphebet agency and men in black but who is really being knee jerk here?
Further nothing scipio said is unreasonable. Its not your position but its not unreasonable
So chill
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(04-04-2010, 08:13 AM)devotedknuckles Wrote: Gererard I'm.a bit disapointed in you. The only sounding brain washed here is you.

Bunk.  The brainwashed don't say that they are leaving open room for doubt on matters of history.  It's the brainwashed that insist if anyone says anything different from what they want, they'll raise hell. 

Quote: Did scipio say he belived the zionist take?

No Scipio didn't say anything but but a lot of unsupported rhetoric.  I don't see you demanding that he back up any assertions.  Any detail given is not actually detail, it's some smart ass assertion like "squat and BS and nonsense" and he oh so generously offers counter arguments. 

Quote: I offered an interesdting point as to which nation ebenifited ....

This thread isn't about 9/11 or whether or not "the Jews" or the "Feds" or the "Sharks" or the "Jets"  were behind it.  This is about lies and distortions by Pryor being picked up and given credibility by Jewish groups and others who are enemies of Traditional Catholicism.

Quote: ...but alas u seem to be the kidnt hat sees jews under every rock too

That's a  nice smear, but I'll correct you.  I see some jews along with a lot of Gentiles under the rocks that are thrown against the Church.  I don't see all jews or all freemasons or all Protestants under those rocks and I don't see every rock thrown at the Church. 

Quote: Hasdit ever occured to you seeing jews under every rock or behind every single thing and event of any magnitude only suits zionists goals of dominence in regards to thought and conversation?

You know what?  I'm sorry.  I'm sorry  I pointed a link to an article from yesterday unfairly attacking the SSPX.  I'm sorry that it's a result of something that I warned about months ago.  I'm sorry that almost every day my google alert on Bishop Williamson points me to another article attacking him or using him to attack the Pope.  I'm sorry that I'm pointing out that with Williamson sidelined, the enemies of the Church both within and without are now taking the lies and distortions about Bishop Williamson and applying them to the majority of SSPX priests and it's leading to us in the pews. 

It must all be just a misunderstanding and me looking under every rock for Jews.  That MUST be it. 

Quote: Think about it. I know u and others just belive it was the alphebet agency and men in black but who is really being knee jerk here?

I guess that's why I wrote in this very thread, "I don't dismiss the possibility that 9/11 was exactly as the mainstream media relayed it (eventually) and I'm also open to the possibilities that it could have been Islamic terrorists who were simply allowed to complete their mission.  But Pryor is saying that Bishop Williamson's letter about 9/11 back in 2001 says "the Jews" were behind the attacks.  Williamson didn't have any suspicions about that in his letter or ever from what I know.  His letter said for us to blame neither Muslim or Jew but rather to look to our own sins which offend God." 

If you're really interested in this, "who benefited" aspect,  I suggest you listen to Fr. Malachi Martin's interview from 1991 with Bernard Janzen about the First Gulph War and what he called the attempt at "leavening Islam" into joining the "NWO"  the interview was listed as "God's Rule Overturned" http://www.triumphcommunications.net/mmartin.html


Quote: Further nothing scipio said is unreasonable. Its not your position but its not unreasonable
So chill.

Fine, if you think so, you show me Scipio's "reasonable" arguments.  Not his assertions, his facts that back up his opinions.  To be reasonable you have to have a reasoned argument.  Show me the post or posts that were so reasonable. 

By the way, this is passionate I know, but Happy Easter. 


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Quote:Bunk.  The brainwashed don't say that they are leaving open room for doubt on matters of history.  It's the brainwashed that insist if anyone says anything different from what they want, they'll raise hell


And all of this concerns the salvation of souls how?

My problem with too much talk about zionism and other "isms" is that it detracts from the Gospel message. We're not going to help any Jewish people convert with talk about holocaust revisionism, "zionist plots", etc. etc. Bishop Williamson is a brilliant man, but he didn't do the SSPX, the Pope or Trads any favors by focusing on these issues in what IMHO was disproportionate for a Prince of the Church.

Gerard, you've done an excellent job defending Fr. Martin and on other issues, but criticizing Bishop Fellay for doing what was necessary for the health of the SSPX is wrong.

And, despite what I've said, a Happy and Holy Easter to you(and to all FE members and lurkers).
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#29
"The brainwashed don't say that they are leaving open room for doubt on matters of history"

they can and they do. depending on the ideology or revisionism they are spewing.

"It's the brainwashed that insist if anyone says anything different from what they want, they'll raise hell"

sounds like the truthers to me

" This is about lies and distortions by Pryor being picked up and given credibility by Jewish groups and others who are enemies of Traditional Catholicism"

how true but 911 is apart of that.

"I see some jews along with a lot of Gentiles under the rocks that are thrown against the Church.  I don't see all jews or all freemasons or all Protestants under those rocks and I don't see every rock thrown at the Church."

me too

"I'm sorry.  I'm sorry  I pointed a link to an article from yesterday unfairly attacking the SSPX."

dont be lad.its good you did

"I'm sorry that almost every day my google alert on Bishop Williamson points me to another article attacking him or using him to attack the Pope.   I'm sorry that I'm pointing out that with Williamson sidelined, the enemies of the Church both within and without are now taking the lies and distortions about Bishop Williamson and applying them to the majority of SSPX priests and it's leading to us in the pews"

dont be sorry. the enemy will do this. it will get much much worse. dont fret

"It must all be just a misunderstanding and me looking under every rock for Jews.  That MUST be it."

seems that i misunderstood you

"By the way, this is passionate I know, but Happy Easter."

HAPPY EATSER!
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#30
A few points:

1.  The problem is not +Williamson or FuturePope +Fellay.  The people thrown under the bus were Fr. FutureSaint Feeney and Fr. Fahey.  The people who messed up was the Catholic Church, even before Vat. II.  For the Church accepted that anti-Jew is the same as anti-semitic, which is complete baloney.  The Catholic Church has always, even to this day, believed that the Jewish Talmudic religion is an evil wicked religion that spreads errors (the whore of Babylon) and drags all of its followers to hell unless they somehow join the Church before death.  Furthermore, the Church has identified the seeds of materialism and messianism in the Talmud and Kabbalah (Tikkun Olam), which are horrible errors that curse the Jew to follow utopian and/or materialistic mindsets, resulting in errors ranging from the rise of Communism, the socialism and lies of the press, to the filth of Hollywood.

2.  Anti-semitism is a racial belief which reached its climax with the Nazis.  The Nazis were anti-Christian and persecuted the Church.  They believed that the Jewish and slavic races were inferior and inherently evil.  They believed that while white Aryans could be Christians, the Christian religion was evil because it came from the inferior semitic race.  Therefore overtime the Nazis planned to slowly push out any Christian beliefs and replace it with paganism.  Hitler gave up any Christian belief in his youth and was a pagan. 

3.  The Catholic Church went on the defensive after WWII, implicitly accepting that opposing the erroneous Jewish Talmud and Kabbalah religion could cause the mass murder of Jews.  The Church should have gone on the offensive, harshly condemning anyone that would equate a pagan, racial belief with the Catholic Faith.  Furthermore, the Church should have pointed out that a major cause of the attacks on Jews was the Jews themselves, specifically reminding the world of the brutal Jewish involvement in the Russian revolution, the Ukaininian holocaust, the Jewish lead slaughter of Catholics in Hungary, and the Jewish leadership of the bloody revolution in Bavaria, a revolution that Hitler helped put down and thus became highly regarded by many Bavarians.

4.  On the Holocaust, I think + Williamson is erroneous in his beliefs.  However, the "official" story was/is clearly bogus.  Just a few years ago if you stated that 4 million Jews didn't get gassed at Aushwitz, you were called the worst anti-semite.  Even JPII went there and prayed for the 4 million killed there.  However now the official number is 800,000 Jews who died there from all causes.  So if before the official number was 6 million killed with 4 million dead at Aushwitz, then today the number should be 2.8 million killed with 800,000 at Aushwitz.  But if you don't sing the 6 million dead party line, you are an anti-semite.  The real number is probably 1 million killed by the commandos in the field (the mass graves are there), and 1 million killed in the camps.  As long as the officials try to hold onto the bogus 6 million number, the whole holocaust will be called into doubt, so I don't blame +Williamson when he does the math and finds out the numbers don't add up.

5.  By screwing up the argument, the Catholic Church has opened the door for beta-male quislings like Pryor to call the SSPX anti-semitic.  Nothing about the SSPX is in league with pagan racial theories.

6.  I don't know many Catholics, let alone Traditionalists, who believe that America is a God established country.  They are patriotic, and love their country, but few Catholics can overlook the slaughter of babies and the homosexual rot that is infesting this country.  On the other hand, the whole "Americanist heresy" view of some Catholics, including SSPX clergy, is tripe, never condemned by the Church.  In fact, Pope Leo XIII praised George Washington.
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