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Bonifacius Wrote:The Holy Father (John Paul II at the time) also apologized for the Crusades and the Inquisition.

NO HE DID NOT. Read those Millennium statements from the late pope and you will find no such thing. John Paul (of happy memory) apologized for the sins Catholic did during those event. This is a very precise point to note, and one which the news media twisted

For a group of people who are suspicious of the media, it's amazing how much we trads take the media bait all the time.
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that said HE DID FRENCH KISS THE VILE KORAN>
isnt that enough?
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(04-11-2010, 11:30 AM)voxpopulisuxx Wrote:
(04-10-2010, 11:49 PM)Scipio_a Wrote:
(04-10-2010, 07:36 PM)voxpopulisuxx Wrote: This war violates 3 out of 4 Just war principles.

Horse shit...it violates none

Just cause. War is permissible only to confront "a real and certain danger," i.e., to protect innocent life, to preserve conditions necessary for decent human existence and to secure basic human rights.
Since this war was propigated based on lies and false accounts and Iraq had zero to do with 911----FAIL
Competent authority. War must be declared by those with responsibility for public order, not by private groups or individuals.
PASS
Comparative justice. In essence: Which side is sufficiently "right" in a dispute, and are the values at stake critical enough to override the presumption against war? Do the rights and values involved justify killing? Given techniques of propaganda and the ease with which nations and individuals either assume or delude themselves into believing that God or right is clearly on their side, the test of comparative justice may be extremely difficult to apply.
Complete FAIL- Since this war is based on lies, propoganda and crappy forign policy
Right intention. War can be legitimately intended only for the reasons set forth above as a just cause.
FAIL---SEE above
Last resort. For resort to war to be justified, all peaceful alternatives must have been exhausted.
If the Pope is to be belived by catholics....FAIL since he asserted that there was still other options to this war than aggression and invasion
Probability of success. This is a difficult criterion to apply, but its purpose is to prevent irrational resort to force or hopeless resistance when the outcome of either will clearly be disproportionate or futile.
Proportionality. This means that the damage to be inflicted and the costs incurred by war must be proportionate to the good expected by taking up arms.
FAIL---since its impossible to win a war against terror, and since the toppling of saddam wasnt the goal, (since) were still there...
JUSTICE IN WAR

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(04-11-2010, 04:33 PM)devotedknuckles Wrote: that said HE DID FRENCH KISS THE VILE KORAN>
isnt that enough?

Nah it just shows that he respects a vile false religion. No problems here. >sad
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(04-11-2010, 04:14 PM)Credo Wrote:
Bonifacius Wrote:The Holy Father (John Paul II at the time) also apologized for the Crusades and the Inquisition.

NO HE DID NOT. Read those Millennium statements from the late pope and you will find no such thing. John Paul (of happy memory) apologized for the sins Catholic did during those event. This is a very precise point to note, and one which the news media twisted

For a group of people who are suspicious of the media, it's amazing how much we trads take the media bait all the time.

I guess in your zeal to jump on inaccuracy, you didn't notice the post like 4 above your where he corrected himself.
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