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#41
"Though the closer a culture comes to the ideal, the better it will be"

How did the medieval Catholic culture increase peoples' life span, eliminate disease, create stable government, and end poverty and hunger (particularly in Catholic countries like France and italy)?  When, historically, was the apex of this Catholic civilization, and what marked its superiority? More importantly, why did the masses of peasants eventually reject it through either armed revolt, or philosophical repudiation -- wouldn't this actually make them, your ancestors, on par with all the Black races that rejected Western Eurowhite domination and repudiate your claims (in other words, there has never been a consensus on the superiority of white, Catholic culture, just your invalid, revisionist perspective of it)?

Why would the peasant, lowly Italians -- your ancestors --  flee their Catholic countries to come to a Protestant one (America)? Since you are obsessed with Black immigration as proof  of Black inferiority, would this point prove that Italians were equally inferior and incapable of governance (and brought astounding levels of crime and disease with them in the tenement slums/GHETTOS were they resided: they still control the construction industry and segments of the drug trade, and are a burden on tax-paying Blacks, like myself -- proof of their inferiority is their complicity in ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION -- another one of your obsessions --  in Southern Italy, and the very high murder rate, there.  When will we ever be free of these "savages"). What stopped this wave of Italian immigrant (Hint hint: secularization and Western European socialism, perhaps)?

Why was their there no end to war and atrocities after the baptism of European barbarians (please see the lynching thread, and explain to me why baptism did not stop these atrocities against Blacks, who were also baptized)?

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#42
You are joking, right: you believe that France, Spain, Portugal, and Italy are free markets?? You do realize that most French people describe themselves as agnostic or atheist, and that Italians have the lowest birthrate in Europe (ie, birth control), so neither are culturally "Catholic."  There are more observant Catholics and converts in Black Africa (the "savages" you detest so). Shouldn't you switch allegiances?

You say that barbarians stop being barbarians when they are baptized -- you would have to now claim that Black Africans are not savage, because many are Catholic.
Also, what is your theory as to why they converted Post-Colonialism/oppression, if they are so "culturally" inferior, they should not have converted of their own free will, should they?  And if Western Europeans are now, of their own will, rejecting the faith, wouldn't they be the modern savages?

It's strange that you admit that Catholic culture does not exist, but assert that European culture is superior because it is Catholic?  Which is it?
(04-20-2010, 06:55 PM)James02 Wrote:
Quote: How can they be superior (in the singular) when one has to admit that they vary (plural)?
It no longer exists.  Though the closer a culture comes to the ideal, the better it will be.
Quote:  What are the characteristics that make them a superior entity -- you yourself said their only unifying characteristic was that they are described as "white," although the word means nothing (Italians cannot be described as "white" by American standards, because many have a single "drop" of black blood; the irish weren't "white," because early race theorists described them as have a high degree of negrescence (spelling), meaning they found them and their culture very similar to Negroes).
They are superior in that they are Catholic and free market.  The Protestant Christian cultures at least believe in Jesus Christ.  Most of Europe is now a wasteland that will be over run by muslims in a few decades, returning it back to savagery.
Quote: Where does European "white" culture begin and end? Are the Corsicans Western European? The Basques? Are Turks "white"? Where is Turkey -- in Europe or Asia? Where does Europe begin and end? Are Sicilians "white"? Why do Western Europeans, who you suppose are intellectually superior, universally abandon their superior Catholic culture? Wouldn't this end their moral authority?
You are obsessed with race.  There is no unified "white" culture, only in your mind.
Quote: Who gives you the moral imperative to alter culture, especially when nothing like your ideal exists in Western Europe?
Simple, I am Catholic and have the Good News and the Truth.  The other cultures are in darkness and are savages.
Quote:  When did barbarians (your ancestors) stop being savage?
When they were baptized.
Quote:Why did you assume I was a male? What other assumptions do you make that affect your ability to perceive and apprehend new information?
  1. Who cares?  2. None.

You need to get over your obsession with race.  And since you are asking so many questions, how about answering a few:
1.  What made you leave Haiti?
2.  Why couldn't you get a good education in Haiti?
3.  How many white people try to emigrate to Haiti every year?
4.  If you took a poll, how many Haitians would like to emigrate to countries with a predominately European, Christian culture?  Why?
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#43
Hapyanracists
Indeed a common plm those who belive in CHRIST and are catholic have arguong qwitjh marxists like yourself as is apperent here is you are a materealist.as has been demonstrated in your above posts. So a cathpolic will rightly bring up the glories of christendom and a marxists obsessed with property and taking it from others or matereal thoings will as u have done bring up just that. Poverty, life span, classes. One I speaks of christendom the other speaks of envy and theft. one is the glory of the church the other marxism the vile ideal of hatched frpom the enemy of God. Before we go further I musty ask u to define for me what time period u belive the medeavel period (roughly) in western europe spanned from? Then what we can do is compare those civilizations to sub sahara african ones (using civilization very lose considering sub sahara afroica where and still are for the most part head hinting goat piss drinkin voodoo demon worshiping saveges) pls by all means let's compare.
As for italians and black blood. While blacks like yuourself love to claim this, which is just another form of cultural inferiority on your part as blacks have nothing to remotely come close to what italians have achieved its exagereted. The mohamadans ie sarecens held sicily for 200 years. They had parts of spain for around 700. Further the sarecens weren't sub saharan blacks and if u have ever been around arabs from north africa u should be well aware of how insulted they get for suggesting they are black. To u see a pattern here? Not only are u attempting to steal italian cultural glory your attempting to steal arab mphamadan conquests of sicily as well. LoL talk about an inferiority complex.the medievel period had few peasent revolts perhaps ypour confused with the renessance? U do know the difference do you? That's not to say no revolts happenend. But they were few. And were not based of class as a marxists such as ypurself would claim.
Before we go on ill wait for to reply and answer the question I asked to help get perameters in the discussion
Sip
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#44
And again, because of your inferior intellect and education, I cannot read your post -- do you not find the irony in that? You claim to be a proponent of a superior culture, which includes its language and literary history, but you cannot master that language.  If one cannot write, and probably cannot read a coherent argument, why would a reader accept your claims?

From what I've deduced, you believe that Africans, who now have the highest rates of conversion to Catholicism in the world, remain savages, even though they adhere to your religion, and yet you claim that your argument for their inferiority is not racial, but religious/cultural?

I don't have to address child-sacrifice in Africa, when all I have to do is look at abortion statistics here and in Europe.  Are you stupid enough to believe that because abortion is tidier, it is less a moral evil, even if it happens in statistically greater numbers than "child sacrifice" ever could in Africa? Wouldn't this make Western Europeans savages?

In another (disjointed) point: No, actually, I'm not talking about Saracens in Italy: I'm talking about black immigrants who resided in Italy since Roman times.  Case in point: Alessandro de Medici's mother http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/...edici.html.  Italy, like most Catholic nations, has never had de jure segregation of Blacks, and most intermarried and were absorbed into the white population -- this is what I mean by "one drop." According to white, Southern race theory, that drop cannot be eradicated, which would make those Italians Black.

Question: you like to exhibit your racism by using peoples' ethnic origins to arouse antipathy in your sympathizers (bringing up Haiti, although I was actually born in NYC).  Let's talk about Italians, like Dean Martin (?), so you can share some of negative consequences of your own racist reflexes...

Why do the Italians, whom you believe to be the cultural heirs to "Catholic cultural superiority" import Africans to work as indentured servants in their own countries, using mafia organization to carry out the importation (the primitive vigilantism they share with white Southerners)? http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0...64,00.htmlIf they care so much about their Catholic culture and homeland, why would they import "savages" who would undermine their culture and heritage, and do not share their religion?

I think I know: maybe because once they denied them their wages, they then MURDER them, knowing they can't face prosecution, because the "savages" they've imported are undocumented.  Why doesn't Catholic cultural and moral superiority check the behavior of Italians, who actually want to live in proximity to "savages" for their own economic benefit?

Hmmm: this economic scheme is starting to sound very familiar.  Exploit Black laborers, deny them a wage, and then murder them -- I know! We're back to TB and the white supremacists in SA!  So logically, the only connection between the Italian barbarians and the Afrikaner barbarians is white supremacy and atrocity (since they don't share the same religious faith). 

Isn't it?

(04-23-2010, 06:40 AM)devotedknuckles Wrote: Hapyanracists
Indeed a common plm those who belive in CHRIST and are catholic have arguong qwitjh marxists like yourself as is apperent here is you are a materealist.as has been demonstrated in your above posts. So a cathpolic will rightly bring up the glories of christendom and a marxists obsessed with property and taking it from others or matereal thoings will as u have done bring up just that. Poverty, life span, classes. One I speaks of christendom the other speaks of envy and theft. one is the glory of the church the other marxism the vile ideal of hatched frpom the enemy of God. Before we go further I musty ask u to define for me what time period u belive the medeavel period (roughly) in western europe spanned from? Then what we can do is compare those civilizations to sub sahara african ones (using civilization very lose considering sub sahara afroica where and still are for the most part head hinting goat piss drinkin voodoo demon worshiping saveges) pls by all means let's compare.
As for italians and black blood. While blacks like yuourself love to claim this, which is just another form of cultural inferiority on your part as blacks have nothing to remotely come close to what italians have achieved its exagereted. The mohamadans ie sarecens held sicily for 200 years. They had parts of spain for around 700. Further the sarecens weren't sub saharan blacks and if u have ever been around arabs from north africa u should be well aware of how insulted they get for suggesting they are black. To u see a pattern here? Not only are u attempting to steal italian cultural glory your attempting to steal arab mphamadan conquests of sicily as well. LoL talk about an inferiority complex.the medievel period had few peasent revolts perhaps ypour confused with the renessance? U do know the difference do you? That's not to say no revolts happenend. But they were few. And were not based of class as a marxists such as ypurself would claim.
Before we go on ill wait for to reply and answer the question I asked to help get perameters in the discussion
Sip
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#45
LOL inferior intellect. yeah must be all my black blood then eh lass? bein Sicilian and black Irish, shit i'm more black then you. how many drops o black do u reckon i have in me veins? usually i'm taken for a mohamadan but u know id like to be taken for black and all considering u get a leg up on jobs up here if u are one. i like this one drop thing. thanks for the tip. .
and about me posts and thumbs if don't know already i wont explain it.
sip
the one drop bullshit u fling is not a catholic notion. its an American democrat party one. and its absurd. why is it that if u have one drop o black in u your black yet you have a drop o white your not white? what gives? its not about race for me it never was. i've lived in a segregated society. a very sectarian one where prods and Catholics killed each other on a daily basis mostly for nothin.

happyandracists said
"From what I've deduced, you believe that Africans, who now have the highest rates of conversion to Catholicism in the world, remain savages"

you deduce wrong only the pagan ones, and mohamadan ones do. not the catholic ones. again ITS NOT ABOUT RACE. lass your obsessed. comin from one black lad to a black lass. its beautiful YO.


happyandracist said
"I don't have to address child-sacrifice in Africa, when all I have to do is look at abortion statistics here and in Europe."
well i asked about u about that but by all means avoid the question.

happpyandracist said
"In another (disjointed) point: No, actually, I'm not talking about Saracens in Italy: I'm talking about black immigrants who resided in Italy since Roman times.  Case in point: Alessandro de Medici's mother http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/...edici.html.  Italy, like most Catholic nations, has never had de jure segregation of Blacks, and most intermarried and were absorbed into the white population -- this is what I mean by "one drop." According to white, Southern race theory, that drop cannot be eradicated, which would make those Italians Black"

are u sure those blacks werent made italian? im tryin to figure u out?


.happyandracisist said
"Question: you like to exhibit your racism by using peoples' ethnic origins to arouse antipathy in your sympathizers (bringing up Haiti, although I was actually born in NYC).  Let's talk about Italians, like Dean Martin (?), so you can share some of negative consequences of your own racist reflexes..."

well being a new found black lad i have the right to be racist yo! and don u foged dat. word. lol i like this.
need to buger of ged me a fro. yo! black is beutifull. superfly rocks! sure lets talk about italians. just italians or sicilians. guess acording to you both are black so why not just lump em together for old one drops time sake ah lass?
few peoples have given the world so much in terms of culture, art, cuisine, music, high heels, cannolis mafiosi, vespas, Beretta, espresso, cappuccino, padre pio, toothpick johnny, the works. i can go on but i think u ged mo drif yo babe!!

happyandracist said
"Why do the Italians, whom you believe to be the cultural heirs to "Catholic cultural superiority" import Africans to work as indentured servants in their own countries, using mafia organization to carry out the importation (the primitive vigilantism they share with white Southerners)? http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0...,00.htmlIf they care so much about their Catholic culture and homeland, why would they import "savages" who would undermine their culture and heritage, and do not share their religion?"

import?
lol our african brothers are dying to get in mama. can yo see?
its abod da doough yo!! mo money talks mo money walks word!
savages mr ice from africaaaaaaaaa gonna make italian bella nice dats why homes. smack!
cuz black drop is beautiful, it beutifies, move on naw dont no inferior fro happenin around here. just ngaz bustin italian doin da deed dirty, dirty deed see C?. back me up BACK ME UP. got your back mrs black got ma take jake. word

happyandracist said
"Hmmm: this economic scheme is starting to sound very familiar.  Exploit Black laborers, deny them a wage, and then murder them -- I know! We're back to TB and the white supremacists in SA!  So logically, the only connection between the Italian barbarians and the Afrikaner barbarians is white supremacy and atrocity (since they don't share the same religious faith)."

danno about no barbarian yo. da barber he cut dimes good so. talk da na  fuzz
careful mama never know how it goes. wage dat yo here.WAGE DAT!
stealin no crime from whitey. whitey steals from us. black bros all lookin to get up in da take. da take its where its at bitch. smack dat ass. fine yo. see. pinch it no itlaians doin fros damgeg na. get dat. DAT GET IT YO? inferior to whity no way. we got the drop. ONE DROP deal
ITS ON!
word

cough
ciao bella
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#46
ROFLMAO
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#47
Quote: How did the medieval Catholic culture increase peoples' life span, eliminate disease, create stable government, and end poverty and hunger (particularly in Catholic countries like France and italy)?  When, historically, was the apex of this Catholic civilization, and what marked its superiority? More importantly, why did the masses of peasants eventually reject it through either armed revolt, or philosophical repudiation -- wouldn't this actually make them, your ancestors, on par with all the Black races that rejected Western Eurowhite domination and repudiate your claims (in other words, there has never been a consensus on the superiority of white, Catholic culture, just your invalid, revisionist perspective of it)?
Technological improvements anyone?  All based on science sponsored by the Church.  On the revolts, your Marxist mindset is trying to lump everything into one marxist model.  Which Revolt?  Be specific.
Quote: Why would the peasant, lowly Italians -- your ancestors --  flee their Catholic countries to come to a Protestant one (America)?
Most probably came to better themselves.  A good deal.  You go to a free European influenced country, with a strong Catholic Church, that has a lot of your fellow Italians.  Good deal.  At the time of the emigrations, Italy had rebelled against the Church.  Heck Pope Pius IX was even shot at.
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You say that barbarians stop being barbarians when they are baptized -- you would have to now claim that Black Africans are not savage, because many are Catholic.
Also, what is your theory as to why they converted Post-Colonialism/oppression, if they are so "culturally" inferior, they should not have converted of their own free will, should they?  And if Western Europeans are now, of their own will, rejecting the faith, wouldn't they be the modern savages?
You are dense.  You are now proclaiming my argument.  YES! if Blacks get baptized and become good Catholics, they are no longer savages.  Maybe it is starting to sink in.  This will blow your mind.  I would predict that Black Africans who attend SSPX chapels in Africa are probably "more" Catholic than most American Catholics.  If say 70% of an African country became SSPX Catholics, that country would literally thrive.  Your race obsession is so ingrained you can't even read my simple statements without dreaming up a load of hogwash.  And YES!, Western Europe is descending into the same savagery that is crippling Africa.  I will repeat Race Doesn't Matter.  (Though again, since I am honest, I must say I do believe there are differences in intelligence, though since I am a proponent of self-reliance, and capitalism, the main factor of success is hard work and ethics).
Quote:It's strange that you admit that Catholic culture does not exist, but assert that European culture is superior because it is Catholic?  Which is it?
  It is only strange to a brainwashed Marxist.  Europe is in decay.  The USA is in decay.  We are on a continuum from free to slave.  We are heading towards economic slavery.  For goodness sakes we have Barrack Obama as President, who has completely bankrupted us.  He comes from a seriously deficient culture, by the way.  His Mama was TRASH.
Quote: Why was their there no end to war and atrocities after the baptism of European barbarians
Your diseased marxist brain is premised on a huge error -- that mankind is good.  So we can create a utopia on Earth where no one is hungry, everyone has medical care, and there are no wars.  And so, when you see all of the symptoms off a fallen human race, you conclude it MUST be because of evil capitalists.  As long as you suffer on this error, you will be faced with contradiction after contradiction, like the sea of blood shed by leftists.  The world is fallen.  The human race is fallen.  There will always be wars and atrocities.  The Church tries to minimize this, but it is often ignored.  The mass slaughter of babies in former Christendom speaks to this.  And we will pay dearly for it.
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(04-23-2010, 12:29 PM)James02 Wrote: You are dense.  You are now proclaiming my argument.  YES! if Blacks get baptized and become good Catholics, they are no longer savages.  Maybe it is starting to sink in.  This will blow your mind.  I would predict that Black Africans who attend SSPX chapels in Africa are probably "more" Catholic than most American Catholics. 

The big problem I see in African (not Haitian) Catholicism is the polygamy issue.  I guess they have had a real problem with people falling back into the old ways in Nigeria. 
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#49
That is why I limited it to SSPX Catholics.  The Catholic religion in Africa is a complex topic.  There was also an outcry against using chicken's blood in the N.O. over there as part of inculturation.  So yeah, being baptized helps the savages, but the Church is so diseased in Africa, the Graces are quickly thwarted.  How man African Catholics follow the Church's teachings on contraception, fornication, adultery, polygamy (as you mentioned) and respect for private property?  How many Catholic Messes are really pentacostal hogwash?  It is hard to generalize in Africa, hence my reference to the SSPX.
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(04-23-2010, 01:32 PM)James02 Wrote: That is why I limited it to SSPX Catholics.   The Catholic religion in Africa is a complex topic.  There was also an outcry against using chicken's blood in the N.O. over there as part of inculturation.  So yeah, being baptized helps the savages, but the Church is so diseased in Africa, the Graces are quickly thwarted.  How man African Catholics follow the Church's teachings on contraception, fornication, adultery, polygamy (as you mentioned) and respect for private property?  How many Catholic Messes are really pentacostal hogwash?  It is hard to generalize in Africa, hence my reference to the SSPX.

Good point;  I cant imagine SSPX has a big presence though.  Alot of the nonsense you mention would be solved if our Holy Catholic Church wasnt so ecumenical.  I've heard about the animal sacrifices being used in 'Mass', what a disgrace.
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