Proper attitude for a Catholic towards the pedophilia scandal?
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(04-10-2010, 10:13 AM)Herr_Mannelig Wrote:
(04-09-2010, 09:52 PM)WilfredLeblanc Wrote: Finally, what is a Catholic supposed to make of the pedophilia scandal? Is he just supposed to chalk it up to fallout from Vatican II, somehow, or classify it as the kind of periodic disgrace that might inevitably occur in the history of any institution so huge and long-lived? 

I have to leave and didn't read any of the responses, but remember to keep perspective and facts.

The actual facts are: every other institution has much higher rates of sexual abuse, such as the public schools and any other religious organisation (Buddhist, Hindu, Judaic, etc) and the actual accusations show a tiny amount of such cases.

Indeed, the socialist and masonic experiment in compulsory education begun in Germany and Austria in the late eighteenth century, first instiuted by the Rosicrucian Occultist, Martin Luther, has done more to corrupt children  than the Catholic Church has.
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#22
There is not one proper attitude; there are, in my opinion, several.  Oh, and by the way, they are "proper" because they are mine.  :laughing:

Compassion for the victims: 'nuff said.

Compassion for the perpetrators:  Yes, you can re-read that and it will still say the same thing.  Even a bunch of wretched, depraved, reprehensible, repellent kiddie-diddlers who are disgracing the Universal Church have souls that are individually precious to God.  These are disastrously broken men, and while hating the sin we have to remember that they are not beyond redemption......IF they repent.

Support and prayers for the Holy Father: who is being slanderously attacked by those who use this scandal as a club to fustigate him in general hatred of the Church and what it stands for.

Support and prayers for all the GOOD priests: who are unfairly tarred with the same brush, by association.

Repentance: in the same way that we all must make reparation for the sins of the world, e.g. abortion, musn't each of us to some extent offer prayers of repentance to God for this?

Shame:
kind of hard to hold your head up as a proud Catholic when the subject comes up.

Just my two cents.
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#23
Quote: Finally, what is a Catholic supposed to make of the pedophilia scandal?

A Catholic is to realize that the Church seriously screwed up when it let its guard down and allowed sodomites to enter the priesthood in huge numbers.  Such that now a huge percentage of bishops are also sodomites.  A Catholic is to realize the sodomites are warped, who have filthy disgusting acts, who probably have been abused, who use illegal drugs, who are regularly committing sins that cry to heaven with vengeance, who are open cesspools for the demons to attack, and who, like all sodomites, like young teenage, innocent boys to pervert.

In summary a Catholic should not be surprised at all that filthy sodomites attacked teenage boys, and that their sodomite bishops formed molestation rings to prey on teenage boys and cover up the crimes.
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#24
Quote: The Church swallowed the EVIL liberal bait, hook line and sinker.  All men are basically good, apart from the ones who want to have sex with children, and a few others.  No actually, all men are basically bad and prone to sin.

One only has to be honest with oneself and one understands what the state of man is.  Fatima warned them and they IGNORED it.

(Future saint) Feeney battled this heresy, and was almost silenced, though his crew still battles on.
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#25
In all sincerity, as a lover of Tradition, I ask is there something we can point to which shows a marked shift in Church policy that "opened the doors" for homosexuals to pour into the priesthood?  I expect fingers pointing Vatican II.  But, which Vatican II document addresses this?  Or was this some unofficial, unspoken slippery slope, a "smoke of Satan" kind of deal?

Along the same lines, I think I recall reading here that in the early 1990's the Church made a formal policy shift to explicitly bar homosexuals from entering the priesthood.  Is that true?  Where is that documented? 
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(04-10-2010, 09:12 PM)Sempiternam Wrote: In all sincerity, as a lover of Tradition, I ask is there something we can point to which shows a marked shift in Church policy that "opened the doors" for homosexuals to pour into the priesthood?  I expect fingers pointing Vatican II.  But, which Vatican II document addresses this?  Or was this some unofficial, unspoken slippery slope, a "smoke of Satan" kind of deal?

Along the same lines, I think I recall reading here that in the early 1990's the Church made a formal policy shift to explicitly bar homosexuals from entering the priesthood.  Is that true?  Where is that documented? 

It was the general state of aggiornamento in the Church in the 60s and 70s which emphasized the psychological aspects of sexual perversion rather than the moral.  Bishops imprudently paid more attention at the time to liberal psychologists rather than dealing with the problem old school style.  They have take some steps to repair these mistakes recently eg. the 2002 Charter for the Protection of Children and Young People by the USCCB, but they are really taking a bashing for the old mistakes in the media frenzy right now.  Most of the people who deserve the bashing though are already dead or senile. 

Also, instructions barring homosexuals to the priesthood in Canon law were laid out in 1961, but subsequently ignored.  It was only in 2005 under the current Pope when these instructions were reemphasized.  Yet he is being attacked regardless. 
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(04-10-2010, 10:13 AM)Herr_Mannelig Wrote: The actual facts are: every other institution has much higher rates of sexual abuse, such as the public schools and any other religious organisation (Buddhist, Hindu, Judaic, etc) and the actual accusations show a tiny amount of such cases.

Perhaps you have a point. I found the article posted by Augustine Baker very helpful in getting my mind around all this:

http://www.bridgeportdiocese.com/talk.3.31.2010.shtml
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(04-10-2010, 07:48 PM)DesperatelySeeking Wrote: There is not one proper attitude; there are, in my opinion, several.  Oh, and by the way, they are "proper" because they are mine.   :laughing:

Compassion for the victims: 'nuff said.

Compassion for the perpetrators:  Yes, you can re-read that and it will still say the same thing.  Even a bunch of wretched, depraved, reprehensible, repellent kiddie-diddlers who are disgracing the Universal Church have souls that are individually precious to God.  These are disastrously broken men, and while hating the sin we have to remember that they are not beyond redemption......IF they repent.

Support and prayers for the Holy Father: who is being slanderously attacked by those who use this scandal as a club to fustigate him in general hatred of the Church and what it stands for.

Support and prayers for all the GOOD priests: who are unfairly tarred with the same brush, by association.

Repentance: in the same way that we all must make reparation for the sins of the world, e.g. abortion, musn't each of us to some extent offer prayers of repentance to God for this?

Shame:
kind of hard to hold your head up as a proud Catholic when the subject comes up.

Just my two cents.

Sounds like the high road to me. I appreciate the feedback.
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Perhaps now is the time to speak to Principle, as Christ and Moses spoke to Principle.


Emily
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(04-10-2010, 09:12 PM)Sempiternam Wrote: In all sincerity, as a lover of Tradition, I ask is there something we can point to which shows a marked shift in Church policy that "opened the doors" for homosexuals to pour into the priesthood?  I expect fingers pointing Vatican II.  But, which Vatican II document addresses this?  Or was this some unofficial, unspoken slippery slope, a "smoke of Satan" kind of deal?

Along the same lines, I think I recall reading here that in the early 1990's the Church made a formal policy shift to explicitly bar homosexuals from entering the priesthood.  Is that true?  Where is that documented? 

I've wondered about this myself- a lot of the abuses I heard began in the 1950s- pre-Vatican II.
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