illegal immigration and you.
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(04-22-2010, 03:33 PM)ardens Wrote:
(04-22-2010, 01:09 PM)James02 Wrote: On the other hand, you got Mexicans marching down the street banging on a pot because California is considering cutting off  some government hand out or other.

I'm not comfortable associating an entire culture with its worst elements. Are Americans all cowardly materialistic hyper-sexed latte-sipping intellectuals without any sense of decency?

It's not Americans fault that Mexico often sends its worst across the border.  From what I have read, alot of Mexicans in Mexico have a low opinion of the border jumpers.
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Every legal immigrant I know (most Mexican and some South American) have a very low opinion of border jumpers. Legal immigrants (with obvious accents etc...) get  treated fairly universally as illegals (even after becoming US citizens) until proven otherwise.  It is easy to see how frustrating/angering it is to be assumed to be a criminal after you do everything the way you are supposed to sometimes taking years and a lot of money to be able to move here legally. Another issue I have, the way our immigration laws are set up, even people who want to come here legally, have skills that would contribute to the US have to jump through so many hoops it isn't always hard to see why even usually law-abiding folks choose to skip all the rigamarole and jump the border.
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Tour ignoring. A thing called class. And its a very big deal in mexico. Truth is if the border juimpers could afford it they most would cross legally and immegrate. That takes loot. amongst other things. Border jumpers arnt from the middle class or lighter skoinned class in mexico. So most legel mexicans who could flip the loot or had professional jobs to immegrate sure do look down on jumpersm
Nothing to be lauded imho. Its a class thing. It has nothing to do woith breaking laws.
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(04-22-2010, 03:33 PM)ardens Wrote:
(04-22-2010, 01:09 PM)James02 Wrote: On the other hand, you got Mexicans marching down the street banging on a pot because California is considering cutting off  some government hand out or other.

I'm not comfortable associating an entire culture with its worst elements. Are Americans all cowardly materialistic hyper-sexed latte-sipping intellectuals without any sense of decency?

I haven't met many intellectualls on my frequent visits there.
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(04-22-2010, 04:02 PM)James02 Wrote:
Quote: I'm not comfortable associating an entire culture with its worst elements.

What part of "mixed bag" didn't you read?

And stop using the word comfortable.  Say, I don't like, I am against, or something else.  What does culture have to do with your comfort?  Resist the borg.

Well, you said "That is the diseased socialist mindset of the Mexicans." That makes it seem like you don't think it's a mixed bag at all. What about the diseased socialist mindset of legal white Americans? If personal experience and association are acceptable evidence, then the Mexicans I've known are way harder workers than white Americans and way less socialist. Furthermore white Americans leech off society without contributing. Therefore this says a lot about what we ought to do with white Americans.

To be honest, I think I chose the right word. I fail to see how I'll have the fortitude to resist the Borg if I start getting real comfortable with asserting guilt by association. It's not that I don't like asserting guilt by association, it's not that I am against asserting guilt by association, it's that I'm uncomfortable with it.
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