Feelings about Luther and Lutheranism
#11
He may or may not have went to Hell, but certainly he led many there through his direct example.
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#12
Yes indeed. The idea or the motive of someone always pointing put we don't know fpo sure if hitler or luther or that child rapists has went to hell elaves me thinking.
And asking what we do know and why the need to point out a maybe when as it stands it seems a fairly done deal.
Seems creeping libtardism to me
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#13
Ambrose, you're home now.  Walk forward, and leave Luther to the poor Lutherans and to the judgment of Our Lord.

Owl
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#14
Luther is a Heretic he split Christendom all the problems we see today regarding religion can be traced back to him. And Credo I have always been taught by trad Priests that heretics are damned.
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#15
Baskerville Wrote:all the problems we see today regarding religion can be traced back to him.

Wow. Polytheism, hypocrite Christians, and the Eastern Schism can be traced to Fr. Luther? The above statement is a perfect example of Catholics overstating Luther's importance.

Quote:And Credo I have always been taught by trad Priests that heretics are damned.

I have been taught by Jesus Christ not to make such judgements (cf. Mt. 7:1).
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#16
(04-21-2010, 07:10 PM)Credo Wrote:
Baskerville Wrote:all the problems we see today regarding religion can be traced back to him.

Wow. Polytheism, hypocrite Christians, and the Eastern Schism can be traced to Fr. Luther? The above statement is a perfect example of Catholics overstating Luther's importance.

Eusebius believed that all the heresies are coming from Simon Magus.

As for the effect of the protestantism, they separated themselves from the Living Church and this made them more vulnerable to the enemies of the Church.
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#17
St.Ambrose Wrote:And the precursors of Protestantism Peter and henry of the 11h century is not metaphysics but pure written Secular History.

Not metaphysics, metahistory.

Metahistory is an interpretation of history which attempts to string a bunch of historical events together in order to make a single event seem inevitable. For example, it used to be popular to say that the barbarian invasions of Rome, and the Protestant Reformation, and Otto von Bismark, and Kaiser Wilhelm were all leading up to 1930s National Socialism in Germany. Our metahistory in America is often called "Manifest Destiny." In England one will hear their version of this narrative called "Whig history."

Catholic historians - especially biblical historians - love this stuff.
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#18
glgas Wrote:Eusebius believed that all the heresies are coming from Simon Magus.

That's an interesting thesis. Where did he write that?

Quote:As for the effect of the protestantism, they separated themselves from the Living Church and this made them more vulnerable to the enemies of the Church.

Maybe, but to say that everything from Islamic terrorism to communist persecution of Buddhists - all "problems we see today regarding religion" (Baskerville) - is somehow linked to Martin Luther is fatuous.
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#19
Credo, you must not be very familiar with Luther's writings if you can say that he wasn't mentally ill - or even a madman.  The man was obsessed with poop, speaking about it all the time!  He also held a rabid hatred for Jews, the papacy, the Mass, and deep down inside - himself.  I find it odd how modern neo-Caths defend Luther so much.  It is the modern Church showing defeatism, and not wanting to show one little bit of superiority.  Luther was an ARCH-HERETIC.  He was the cause of the great fracture in Chrisitanity that exists to this day.  I have heard N.O. priests state that Martin Luther was a "great man."  Truly Satan is within the human element of the Church when the most profound heretic of all-time is held in such regard.
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#20
(04-21-2010, 09:10 PM)Nic Wrote: Credo, you must not be very familiar with Luther's writings if you can say that he wasn't mentally ill - or even a madman.  The man was obsessed with poop, speaking about it all the time!  He also held a rabid hatred for Jews, the papacy, the Mass, and deep down inside -

I heard the same thing and I read a book about him that I checked out at the library about the heretical tendencies and actions of Martin Luther... I wish I could quote that book, but  forgot the name of it.

Here are just a few  Crazybeautiful quotes by Martin Luther.

"I feel much freer now that I am certain the pope is the Antichrist."

"I maintain that some Jew wrote it [the Book of James] who probably heard about Christian people but never encountered any."

"I myself saw and touched at Dessay, a child of this sort, which had no human parents, but had proceeded from the Devil. He was twelve years old, and, in outward form, exactly resembled ordinary children."

"I should have no compassion on these witches; I should burn them all."

"Idiots, the lame, the blind, the dumb, are men in whom the devils have established themselves: and all the physicians who heal these infirmities, as though they proceeded from natural causes, are ignorant blockheads...."

What shall we do with...the Jews? I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach on pain of loss of life and limb."

"What shall we do with...the Jews?...set fire to their synagogues or schools and bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them."

"What shall we do with...the Jews?...their homes also should be razed and destroyed."

"When I was a child there were many witches, and they bewitched both cattle and men, especially children."

"God does not work salvation for fictitious sinners. Be a sinner and sin vigorously.... Do not for a moment imagine that this life is the abiding place of justice; sin must be committed."

"Sin cannot tear you away from him [Christ], even though you commit adultery a hundred times a day and commit as many murders."




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