The Luminous Mysteries ? JP2
#11
Quote:The insatiable lust for change and novelty, a defining element of post-Conciliar pontificates, increasingly takes the form of an in-the-flesh manifestation of one of Modernism's chief precepts.

This sentence right here ends the discussion.  Dead-on.

Don't fix it if it ain't broke.
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#12
My $0.02:  I will never personally say them, and I recommend against them for reasons already mentioned.
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#13
its just another unnecessary (i can't find a slightly stronger word) for me...those who want to say it can say it as they will. But i won't recommend it to anyone and neither do I say it.

I did enjoy saying the mysteries when I was in the Novus Ordo though. But of course, this opens up another debate on whether one prays to enjoy  or feel good about oneself.
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#14
Well said, Quis. The changing of the Rosary was one of the last things left to MESS WITH. JPII may have been a Holy Man but he allowed the progressives to ALMOST ruin the church.
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#15
One of the reasons I don't pray the Rosary in front of Planned Parenthood anymore is because among other things they said the Luminous Mysteries. Another reason is they were all into these false apparitions like Medagoojoo and the Rosary of the unborn. I have one of the Rosary's of the unborn and I don't believe the Rosary itself is demonic (It's a blessed Rosary so I know it's not demonic) but the belief in the "promises" just seem off...

http://www.rosaryoftheunborn.com/store/p...p?idpage=2

Message From Our Lady

Special Promises for The Rosary of the Unborn



July 2, 2001, Daytime
Our Lady comes as the Sorrowful Mother. She says:
Praise be to Jesus. I see you are using the new Rosary of the Unborn. I affirm to you, my daughter, that each Hail Mary prayed from a loving heart will rescue one of these innocent lives from death by abortion. When you use this rosary, call to mind My Sorrowful Immaculate Heart which continually sees the sin of abortion played out in every present moment. I give to you this special sacramental* with which to heal My Motherly Heart.



Maureen asks:Blessed Mother, do you mean any Hail Mary or just one prayed on the Rosary of the Unborn?



Blessed Mother:This is a special grace attached to this particular rosary. It should always be used to pray against abortion. You will please make this known.


July 2, 2001, Evening
Blessed Mother is here as Mary, Refuge of Holy Love. She is holding the Rosary of the Unborn and says:
Praise be to Jesus. You can be confident in using this Rosary and the attached attendant promise I have given you. Do not be abashed (shy) about propagating this message.



Message from Our Lord

More Special Promises for The Rosary of the Unborn




August 3, 2001
I am your Jesus, born Incarnate. Trust in Me. Please tell the world that each 'Our Father' (beads shown to Maureen by Jesus were teardrops of blood in the form of a cross) recited on the Rosary of the Unborn assuages My grieving Heart. Further, it withholds the Arm of Justice.



The greatest promise I give you in regards to this rosary is this: Every rosary prayed from the heart to its completion on these beads (teardrops) mitigates the punishment as yet withstanding for the sin of abortion.



I attach this promise to the rosary given directly to you by My Mother, for it is particular to Her design and requests. Make it known.



Later that day:
I (Maureen) told Jesus I had a question about the promise He gave concerning the Rosary of the Unborn. He finally returned, all aglow. He smiled and said:



I am your Jesus, born Incarnate. I know your question. Do not bother to speak it. When I say the punishment as yet withstanding for the sin of abortion, I mean the punishment each soul deserves for taking part in this sin. Then too, I also refer to the greater punishment that awaits the world for embracing this sin.



Pray from your heart knowing that your rosary appeases Me.


Messages From Heaven About The Rosary of the Unborn
Please also see the sections of this website entitled Heaven’s Words on Abortion
My Mother has prescribed for you the Rosary of the Unborn to overcome this great error and grave sin. I never tire of hearing it. It is balm to my wounded Heart. (Jesus, 7/7/2001)

…It is with docility I come to tell you that Jesus is passing on to the world through My Maternal Heart this Rosary of the Unborn. Never before in the history of mankind has motherhood been so maligned and misrepresented. Never before has the life of the unborn been in such jeopardy. But through faithful recitation of the rosary on these beads I have presented to you, Satan's plans will be thwarted and natural motherhood raised once again to its place of distinction. Jesus has chosen this century through the Will of His Father for a return to the reality of life within the womb which will be a stepping stone to His victory. (Blessed Mother, 2/2/2002)

I have come to show you this. She shows me the Rosary of the Unborn wrapped around a beautiful gold crown. This is My Crown of Victory. See and understand that this Rosary of the Unborn is an integral part of My Victory, both in hearts and in the world. Jesus desires that you make this known. (Blessed Mother, 3/18/2002)


The Rosary of the Unborn will become the weapon oItalicf choice, both in Heaven and on earth in the war against abortion-so prepare for this. Take up your arms, children of God. Prepare! Stalemates which have affected My mission until now will be resolved. Projects will continue and begin anew. Those who defend and assist this mission, I will defend and assist. Those who make themselves your adversaries are My adversaries, as well. (Jesus, 4/5/2002)


Jesus and Blessed Mother are here. Their Hearts are exposed, and they are framed with the Rosary of the Unborn. Jesus: I am your Jesus, born Incarnate. Your prayers tonight, My brothers and sisters, have assuaged the grieving Heart of your Savior and of your Heavenly Mother. Many hearts of mothers who were considering abortion have been changed because of your prayers on this rosary tonight. Many unborn children assuredly have been saved from this terrible death. (Jesus, 5/4/2002)


I have come to speak to you about the Rosary of the Unborn. I am your Jesus, born Incarnate. My Mother prepared My manger with love-directing St. Joseph to cushion it with humble straw. The Rosary of the Unborn which She presented to the world through you is today like that straw in a manger for the unborn. The prayers said on these rosaries are protection and comfort for the unborn. These same prayers are welcoming new life into the world with love. Continue to see, then, the importance of prayer upon this special rosary--this gift from Heaven given through this ministry. (Jesus, 5/10/2002)

My children, you must learn to offer to My Immaculate Heart and the Sacred Heart of My Beloved Son all the indignities, oppression and uncertainties that surround this mission. For I tell you, a great threat awaits the world-a chastisement greater than you suffered in this country in September. It is coming, My children, unless the Heart of My Beloved Son can be appeased for the great sin of abortion. Therefore, it is necessary and important that you disseminate the Rosary of the Unborn as quickly, and in as many ways as possible. My Son deems that this message can be made public on this eve that you celebrate Mother's Day. For I, the Mother of all nations and the Mother of Love, cooperate always with My Son's Heart and the Will of the Eternal Father. (Blessed Mother, Eve of Mother's Day, 5/11/2002)


I am your Jesus, born Incarnate. I have come to speak publicly about the Rosary of the Unborn. This is a great gift given from Heaven in and through this mission of Holy Love. My Mother has designed this rosary Herself, and with Her approval it is now being reproduced. Many and important promises are attendant to this unique rosary of Her design. In the world there are those who have set about to counterfeit this special rosary. I am asking the faithful-do not be fooled. It is the rosary given here at this mission of Holy Love that carries with it the promises from Heaven. (Jesus, 5/29/2002)

The Importance of Prayer and Prayer Against Abortion
My brothers and sisters, every prayer you say against abortion defeats Satan in someone's life, in some way. Come against this heinous crime, the killing of the unborn. Every prayer you say repairs My Heart which is in anguish over this sin. (Jesus, 10/6/2001)

…I have come to tell you what the adversary does not want you to hear; that is, that every Mass you attend, every Communion you receive, every holy hour you make, every prayer or rosary you say, weakens the enemy forever in some soul somewhere in the world.  (Jesus, 10/5/2001)

St. Thomas Aquinas comes. He bows before the tabernacle and says: Praise be to Jesus.
The Holy Mother has sent me to talk to you about the rosary. Some people-even Church leaders-make light of it, you know. But the power of the rosary has not changed over the centuries. If more would pray it, abortion would be recognized for what it is. The acceptance of abortion by any country's leaders places the country in jeopardy; for this sin alone brings about wars, natural disasters, political confusion and economic collapse. Devotion to the holy rosary places the soul under the Blessed Mother's protection-certainly a place anyone should seek to be during these times. Carrying the rosary with you is a sign to Satan that you belong to Mary. Meditation upon the mysteries of the rosary brings the soul closer to Jesus, and leads him away from sin. The rosary is a decisive weapon against Satan's kingdom in this world.  (St. Thomas Aquinas, 10/7/2002)


My brothers and sisters, when My Mother appeared in the world in 1917, abortion was not a legal option anywhere in the world. Through this message of Holy and Divine Love, you are required to oppose abortion both in hearts and in the world, for this is what living in Holy Love dictates. Pray against abortion, and pray for those who even consider it in their hearts.
(Jesus, 10/13/2002, Feast of Our Lady of Fatima)


Understand that when I was born, I came into the world in the poorest and humblest of conditions. And so today I invite you to pray for all expectant mothers, that they accept the conditions in which providence has placed them, and that they trust in Heaven's provision in their every need. Thus, they will safeguard the life within them. (Jesus, 12/8/02)


My brothers and sisters, today I have come to ask on behalf of the United Hearts of Jesus and Mary that this mission, this prayer group be united-first in Holy Love - then in prayer and sacrifice. In this way you become a greater weapon in My Hands to oppose the evil of abortion which threatens the peace of the world. (Jesus, 1/12/03)

Important Messages About Abortion
and How it Affects the World

The United States and Abortion
I am Sovereign Good which must reign in every heart. Once again I come to tell you that if your nation overturns legalized abortion, I will richly bless it by my favor. But if this sin continues with national approval, much will be stripped away. My brothers and sisters, recognize evil and pray against it.  (Jesus, 10/14/2001)


In truth I tell you that your nation's stance on legalized abortion is the determining factor in your national security. For years Heaven has stood by and watched as the security of the baby in the womb was violated and lifetaken. Solemnly I tell you, recognize abortion as a face of evil and an enemy to world security. You will not have genuine peace until abortion is overturned. Do not see My words to you today as a threat, but as a grace. (Jesus, 10/5/2001)


Jesus and Blessed Mother are here with Their Hearts exposed…(Jesus and Blessed Mother were surrounded with the Rosary of the Unborn. There were large angels stationed at each of the Our Father beads.) Jesus: …I have come to ask you to stop killing the life I lovingly place in the womb. Each life that is snuffed out changes the world forever. My brothers and sisters, I come to you today clothed in truth and openness. I hide nothing from you. I have no ulterior motive aside from the safety, salvation and well-being of every soul from the moment of conception until natural death. I beg your country today to take heed of My call to end legalized abortion. Do not wait until My solution is your last alternative.  (10/5/2001)


My message to you as a nation is this: GOD alone is the giver and taker of life. Whenever man presumes to take upon himself the role of God, the world is changed forever. (Blessed Mother, 9/15/01)

…I have come to speak to you about love, trust and the Divine Will of My Father. My Finger rests upon the pulse of this nation. I tell you solemnly, every error is due to lack of love. Abortion - even birth control - would not exist in your nation or the world if hearts were perfected in love. Holy Love leads to trust in Divine Providence. This trust then, leads to acceptance of the Divine Will. My Father's Will reaches into the past, is present with you now, and awaits you in the future. The soul must understand that My Father's plan for every present moment is perfect and without flaw. So, trust is dependent upon a more perfect love; and both love and trust combine to carry the soul into the Divine Will. Your nation can learn from this lesson. Make it known. (Jesus, 1/27/03)


…when you look at the problems of the world today, you can see that, for the most part, people and nations trust only in themselves and their human efforts. This is why there is an escalated arms race, an unequal distribution of resources, abortion, and embryonic experimentation, and every possible sin against human decency. The world has not learned from its own history-that it cannot exist apart from God-that it cannot thrive outside of love. (Jesus, 11/5/02)


More Important Messages About Abortion
…the more man tries to become like God, the more he will be humbled. The more humanity assumes the role of giver and taker of life, the more self-centeredness and hatred will flourish in hearts.  (Jesus, 10/12/2001)



My Sacred Heart mourns the loss of life that sin brings about. Even more do I mourn the ones who say they love Me, but by their attitudes condone abortion, birth control, euthanasia and suicide. Do they not see the choices they are making by their inaction? (Jesus, 6/7/2002, Feast of the Sacred Heart of Jesus)
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#16
From the Shrine of Holy Whapping, A Parody: http://holywhapping.blogspot.com/2007/11...didnt.html

Shrine Mole: Vatican Tested New Rosary Mysteries on People!

ROME (HWTN News)--One of the Shrine's moles at the Vatican recently leaked to me a truly extraordinary document from the Congregation for Divine Worship, which indicates that in the lead-up to the unveiling of the Luminous Mysteries towards the end of Pope John Paul II's reign, the CDW's Consumer Rights section beta-tested a number of alternatives to the Pope's proposal. This in itself should be no surprise; the mysteries of the Rosary, along with the stations of the Cross, have historically been rather fluid in content and in number, while the CDW's careful supervision of new Vatican products is well-known after the massive recall of the '04 cherry-flavored "Hieroymus Bosch Blend" incense after the main stock had been secretly adulterated with hallucinogens as a protest by an anarcho-syndicalist guerilla theater group.*

Experts remark that the Luminous Mysteries won out with good reason. But it's still fascinating to see what might have been and why it got rejected. One set, the Parabolic Mysteries, was thought to sound too mathematical, though it dealt with Christ's various parables, some of which themselves proved to be problematic. The Mystery of the Parable of the 99 Sheep and the 1 Lost unfortunately put most test-subjects to sleep given Fr. Cantalamessa's suggestion they pray by counting each one, while the Mystery of the Divine Childhood, based on various apocryphal accounts of Christ's early years featuring Jesus smiting playground bullies and the like, made, in the words of one, "Our Lord seem a bit too much like Damien from The Omen." Researchers soon afterwards discovered the proposed Mystery of the Blue Carbuncle came not from sacred history but the Sherlock Holmes canon, and the whole section on the Father Brown Mysteries seems to have been a long and involved joke on the part of the compiler of the report.

Some mysteries also seemed, like the 99 Sheep, a bit too dull. Take for instance, the proposed Tedious Mysteries: 1: the Child Jesus stars in His School's Hannukah Pageant; 2: The Child Jesus is asked by Mary to take out the Garbage and Doesn't Complain, 3: Joseph hits his thumb with a hammer but does not say his golf words despite a furious desire to do so, 4: Our teenaged Lord suffers silently as Our Lady and St. Joseph show His friends all those embarassing baby pictures and 5: the Child Jesus is teased by playground bullies for being dressed like the Infant of Prague. The problem here is when you are dealing with a family in which the baby is God, the mom is sinless and the dad may well have never committed a sin of his own accord, there isn't too much drama to work with, barring the introduction of a Jewish Eddie Haskell character, and no such archetype appears in the Protoevangelium of James.

Now, if you must excuse me, it's Thursday and we all know that means it's time for a recitation of the Fourth Glutinous Mystery: Our Lord Feeds the 5,000 with Kosher Cinnabons.

*Supposedly Cardinal Arinze knew something was wrong when he attended a solemn high mass where the Gospel, solemnly intoned, began, "In illo tempore, dicite Iesus, Viiiiiiiiiirrrrr..." (Literally: At that time Jesus said: Duuuuuuuuude.")
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#17
Since I have trouble with anger I came up with the Angry Mysteries...I came up with a couple of them...

1. Jesus expels the money changers from the temple
2. Peter cuts the ear off the guard.

I think some others had some other ideas for the Angry Mysteries  :laughing:

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#18
I wish this wasn't as harsh as it is, but, the longer JPII is gone, the less I miss him and the more I despise virtually everything he said, did and touched as a Pope, bishop and author.  The Rosary change is just another reminder for me. I'm reminded of his unbelievably horrific treatment of traditionalists, his avoidance of dealing with any part of the crisis in any meaningful way, his encouragement of indifferentism, his liturgical abominations, his awful encyclicals overflowing with a bunch of pseudo-intellectual phoney philosophy, unsupported assertions and endless windbaggery. 

He damaged the faith of millions with his example and was possibly the single, worst Pope in history.  Give me a miscreant with personal vices who avoids evoking heresy and confusion among the faithful any day over what we had for such a long and awful reign. 

As a man I pray for his soul that he repented, was absolved and received mercy, but as a Pope--good riddance!  Benedict is a tower of orthodoxy and strength following that disaster of a papacy.  And Benedict is no "great" Pope by the standards of comparison with all his predecessors, but he almost floats in the air by comparison. 

Hopefully, we'll only have one abberration of a "showboating" Pontiff in the history of the Church.  Would anybody with any real sense of the sacred want a repeat of  THAT?
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(04-22-2010, 11:57 PM)Gerard Wrote: I wish this wasn't as harsh as it is, but, the longer JPII is gone, the less I miss him and the more I despise virtually everything he said, did and touched as a Pope, bishop and author.  The Rosary change is just another reminder for me. I'm reminded of his unbelievably horrific treatment of traditionalists, his avoidance of dealing with any part of the crisis in any meaningful way, his encouragement of indifferentism, his liturgical abominations, his awful encyclicals overflowing with a bunch of pseudo-intellectual phoney philosophy, unsupported assertions and endless windbaggery.   

He damaged the faith of millions with his example and was possibly the single, worst Pope in history.   Give me a miscreant with personal vices who avoids evoking heresy and confusion among the faithful any day over what we had for such a long and awful reign. 

As a man I pray for his soul that he repented, was absolved and received mercy, but as a Pope--good riddance!  Benedict is a tower of orthodoxy and strength following that disaster of a papacy.  And Benedict is no "great" Pope by the standards of comparison with all his predecessors, but he almost floats in the air by comparison. 

Hopefully, we'll only have one abberration of a "showboating" Pontiff in the history of the Church.  Would anybody with any real sense of the sacred want a repeat of  THAT?

:amen: :clap:
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(04-22-2010, 10:55 PM)Petertherock Wrote: Since I have trouble with anger I came up with the Angry Mysteries...I came up with a couple of them...

1. Jesus expels the money changers from the temple
2. Peter cuts the ear off the guard.

I think some others had some other ideas for the Angry Mysteries  :laughing:
... and everyone thinks they can make up their own mysteries for the Rosary now.  Just look at what this started...
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