Fr. Gruner has the videos up.
It is quite a shame that EWTN doesn't invite Fr. Gruner or one of the Fatima Crusaders on one of the Call in shows to speak of the 3rd Secret...  We know John Salza talked about Masonry Unmasked on "The Abundant Life", but nothing further... Are they worried about certain repercussions from the local Bishop??
I wouldn't get my hopes up with EWTN and Fr. Gruner especially with the way Fr. Fox handled many of the issues regarding Fatima, the Hindu desecration of the sanctuary, etc. When I started attending the TLM, I was fortunite enough to attend a conference given by Fr. Gruner in Osceola County, Florida and a couple churches in Florida, including one diocese based one.
I went to a Latin Mass in Orlando that Fr. G celebrated. I have the most respect for him as I do Fr. Martin. If anyone would take the time to read his (Fr. Martin) books, most all of them, they would have a much better opinion of the man than many hereabouts seem to have. "Keys of This Blood" was very informative and very insightful into the maneuvers of JPII, whom Fr. Martin knew well.

Fr. Martin was killed. He said he was "pushed" by an unseen force and was on coumadin at the time which eventually, on the second attempt, killed him of a brain hemorrhage. He was a holy man, was an exorcist and therefore a target of evil spirit.

He wrote quite an eyeopening work on his own order, the Jesuits as well and laid out his reasons for taking leave of the order. I'd encourage anyone who has the inclination to get and read his books. He read the 3rd secret and often said that it had never been revealed. He read it at the time of John XXIII and said that when John read it he almost collapsed. I don't see how what has been revealed as the 3rd secret could make anyone nearly collapse at reading it.
(05-04-2010, 04:01 PM)unknown Wrote:
(05-03-2010, 04:45 PM)adpatrem Wrote: Personally, if Fr. Kramer is correct with regard to the two regrets Pope Benedict XVI had before ascending the Chair of Peter, I think something big could happen when the Pope travels to Fatima for the anniversary on May 13.

I've only skimmed the videos so far, but did catch a part where Fr. Gruner once again implied that Cardinal Ratzinger was reluctantly going along with Cardinal Sodano.  That position simply isn't supportable.  Cardinal Ratzinger was actually the first high ranking prelate to start openly lying about the content of the Third Secret in the 1990's. 

I earlier posted the following observations about published comments by Cardinal Ratzinger:

Take a look at the following to quotations attributed to him.  The first comes from an interview with Jesus Magazine in 1984.  The second is from 1996:

Please note the color coding below to note contradictions.  The green pairs with green, the red with red, etc.

In 1984, when asked by an interviewer why the Third Secret hasn't been revealed:
"Because, according to the judgement of the Popes, it adds nothing to what a Christian must know concerning what derives from Revelation: i.e., a radical call for conversion; the absolute importance of history; the dangers threatening the faith and the life of the Christian, and therefore of the world. And then the importance of the end times. If it is not made public - at least for the time being - it is in order to prevent religious prophecy from being mistaken for a quest for the sensational. But the things contained in this 'Third Secret' correspond to what has been announced in Scripture and has been said again and again in many other Marian apparitions, first of all that of Fatima in what is already known of what its message contains. Conversion and penitence are the essential conditions for 'salvation'."

In 1996, when asked by an interviewer why the Third Secret hasn't been revealed:

"I've had enough of speaking about that. The message transmitted by Sister Lucy, and not yet revealed, concerns neither the history of the world in general nor individual facts in particular. The Lady does not enter into details about the future. The Secret contains nothing new, it foretells no tragedy for humanity, nothing apocalyptic and nothing essential for the faith. The Lady simply opens a path, and this path leads to conversion and to faith. In a certain sense, the Second Vatican Council was the realization of the Virgin's message and, in summoning it, Pope John XXIII did the essential in answer to the Virgin's message."[taken from The Catholic Counter-Reformation in the XXth Century, #289, Oct. 1996]  see: . Also the book, FATIMA IN TWILIGHT, Mark Fellows, Marmion Publications, 2003).

So, what happened?  Cardinal Ratzinger told two different stories.  He didn't just tell two different stories.  His second story was the exact opposite of his first one!

According to EWTN, in the '90s Cardinal Ratzinger also stated the following. 

"To all those who are curious, I would say that they should be certain that the Virgin does not engage in sensationalism; she does not create fear. She does not present apocalyptic visions, but guides people to her Son. And in this we have the essential (of the secret)."

Yes, I am aware of Pope Benedict's about face.  I am reminded of the Maciel scandal.  Have you seen the video when then Cardinal Ratzinger is confronted by ABC's Brian Ross about Fr. Maciel?  Ratzinger's reply was "Oh, no, I'm not so much informed..."  That was being disingenuous at best and telling a flat out lie at worst.  Ross pressed the issue.  Ratzinger then slapped his hand.  He has quite the temper.  I feel more and more that Pope Benedict XVI is a very holy man but also a man who is very much alone.  He knows what he must do but the evil forces that surround him prevent him from acting as he knows he should.  I pray for his courage as he travels to Fatima.  I pray that he will do what he knows he should do despite the Vatican line on Fatima.  But, the question is, how does the Vatican right what it wronged all these years with regard to the third secret?  Another question, and this should be its own thread, pertains to Cardinal Sodano:  how is this man still in a position of power?  I have not heard one good thing about him.
Cardinal Sodano is still in power?? That is news to me... AFAIK, he retired and Cardinal Bertone took his place as Cardinal Secretary of State at the Vatican... I do know Cardinal Casaroli who was Sodano's predecessor, was a high ranking Freemason #41-076, so perhaps Sodano has ties to the Masonic lodge as well?  ???  If he is continuing to shake up the Faithful behind the scenes then that obviously isn't good!
Cardinal Sodano is Dean of the College of Cardinals if I'm not mistaken.  He still wields a tremendous amount of power and influence behind the scenes.
Yes, Sodano is the Dean of the College of Cardinals.  The following is on wikipedia:

Austen Ivereigh argues that Sodano should resign because he was the recipient of financial gifts from the members of the Legion of Christ. According to an ex-member of the Legion: "Cardinal Sodano was the cheerleader for the Legion. He'd come give a talk at Christmas and they'd give him $10,000. Another priest recalled a $5,000 donation to Sodano. [1]

In 1998 Sodano intervened to halt an investigation into sexual abuse by the Legion's founder, Marcial Maciel referred to as ”the womanizing, drug-abusing pedophile founder of the Legionaries of Christ”, Austen Invereigh further believes that Maciel “bought” Sodano’s assistance in this matter.

The investigation had been headed by Joseph Ratzinger, who at the time was head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. When preparing to become Secretary of State Sodano received English lessons at a Irish Centre belonging to the Legion of Christ, Sodano enjoyed holidays at a Legion villa in Italy where he was an honoured guest at banquets and became the most important supporter of disgraced Marciel. Marciel further paid a nephew of Cardinal Sodano, Andrea Sodano, for work as a building consultant and Marciel insisted that Andrea Sodano should be paid though there were complaints about the quality and promptness of his work.
Wow marcel was a dope fiend too?
Satan is involved al right no doubt.
(05-04-2010, 04:45 PM)OLOMC Wrote: I wouldn't get my hopes up with EWTN and Fr. Gruner especially with the way Fr. Fox handled many of the issues regarding Fatima, the Hindu desecration of the sanctuary, etc.

Are you referring to the "Hindu ceremony" allegedly performed in the Capelinha in May 2004, as reported by Catholic Family News? If so, relax, no ceremony occurred and no desecration took place.

According to the Shrine's Rector: 

"The Hindu priest and a translator went up to the image of Our Lady, while the remainder of the group stayed down below. The priest sang a prayer which lasted a few minutes. No gesture was made, no rite was performed, on or off the altar. The translator explained that he had asked 'the Most Holy Mother that she would give wisdom and discernment to those who govern nations, so that the world could have peace, peace, peace'”

After making their prayer, the Hindu pilgrims were received in a room by the Bishop of Leiria-Fatima and the Rector of the Shrine,

"to whom they said they had come out of devotion towards the 'Most Holy Mother'. They did not speak about a similarity or transference between this name and any entity of their religion."
(05-04-2010, 11:07 AM)Jacafamala Wrote:
(05-03-2010, 10:48 PM)Zakhur Wrote:
(05-03-2010, 05:06 PM)James02 Wrote: Fr. Gruner has full faculties and is incardinated with the Diocese of Hyberadad (spelling?) in India.  An attempt was made to suppress him, but he found a bishop to incardinate him.  He is a true Catholic hero.

Malachi Martin had a wicked and evil past.  He did much to destroy the Church, especially during Vat. II, as an agent for Jews.  Supposedly he "converted" and lived the remainder of his life as a Trad living in the USA.

I like Fr. Gruner.  I've had mixed feelings toward Fr. Martin, but this is the first I've heard of him being an anti-Catholic Jewish double-agent.

(05-03-2010, 05:59 PM)adpatrem Wrote: Malachi Martin an agent for evil?  That sounds pretty provocative.  I had no idea.  Somebody recommended that I read his book "Hostage to the Devil", that's why I ask.  I really don't know what to make of him.

I would not read Hostage.  I started to.  I'm serious.  Malachi Martin had at least ONE major fault or consistent sin:  indiscretion.  Hostage is extremely disturbing stuff.  It's just HIGHLY negative and not worth the read.  That book made me start wondering whether Martin had all his marbles.  He began to strike me as a kind of really kooky smart person, if that makes sense.

Well, if you're going to go reading about demons then isn't going to be all hearts and flowers, you know. What do you expect when reading about demons but icky, yucky, disgusting stuff?

I read it recently and can say it's worth the read--if you want to find out about the nature of these things. But certainly it's not for everyone.

Furthermore, don't insult Fr. Martin.  :shame: He was a great priest.

I apologize I should not have called him “kooky.”  He was very learned and possessed enormous experience with the supernatural.

I just could not continue reading Hostage.  It rubbed me the wrong way.  I worried it would effect my spiritual life the wrong way.  Maybe now it wouldn’t.  At the time, I was going through a hard experience.  I had just left the formation house of a modern religious order.  I had developed a dislike for traditional Catholicism.

In fact (I have been forgetting this!) he was partially responsible for my recovering from that time in my life.

Windswept House was THE book that convinced me that something was not only wrong with the position of my associates in that religious order but with the conservative Catholic position, in which I had been raised.

There was a time when I devoured his positions.  I listened to all of Fr. Martin’s radio and private interviews.  It was a completely new world for me, and I am grateful for his role in opening my eyes to the core of the crisis.

I’m glad I posted and some of you corrected me.  Perhaps I’m supposed to read something of his again…

Okay.  Forget about Fr. Martin.  Sorry!

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