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Vatican talks with splinter group difficult-cardinal
Thu May 6, 2010 3:09am IST

By Tom Heneghan, Religion Editor

PARIS (Reuters) - Vatican talks with a controversial splinter group have been difficult and the ultra-traditionalist Catholics will have to make concessions if an accord is to be reached, a senior Vatican cardinal said on Wednesday.

The Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX), whose four bishops were readmitted to the Church last year after a ban of 21 years, cannot conduct the doctrinal discussions on their terms, but only on those of the Vatican, Cardinal Walter Kasper said.

The closed-door talks are a key issue for the Catholic Church because, although the SSPX is small, its return to the fold has been so stormy. One readmitted bishop, Richard Williamson, is a Holocaust denier convicted and fined for hate speech in Germany.

Pope Benedict's eagerness to rehabilitate the SSPX, despite its rejection of the Second Vatican Council (1962-1965) reforms, troubles Catholic critics who see them as anti-Semites who want to turn back the clock on 40 years of dialogue among religions.

"Dialogue with them is not easy," Kasper, who heads the Vatican department for relations with other Christian churches and with Jews, told a news conference during a visit to Paris.

"The main problem with them is not the Mass in Latin," he said, referring to the SSPX's insistence on the pre-Council liturgy, "but the concept of tradition. Do we want a living tradition or a petrified one?"

"I'm for a dialogue, but on our conditions, not on the traditionalists' conditions," he added. The SSPX had to accept the Council reforms, the "sine qua non" of any accord.

Without an accord, the group will have no official status and its clergy will not be recognised as Catholic priests or allowed to exercise their ministry.

Benedict, who has promoted a return to Catholic tradition and identity during his five-year papacy, said in January that the talks among three theologians from each side were held up over "doctrinal problems" he did not specify.
The SSPX, numbering several hundred thousand members, insists it represents the true faith and the Vatican and the vast majority of the Church went off the rails at the Council.


Even while its theologians meet Vatican experts every other week to seek a common understanding of the Council, its leaders have been criticising key doctrines of that historic event.

SSPX head Bishop Bernard Fellay said in March the Vatican theologians "wish the Church well but also want to save the Second Vatican Council -- that's like squaring a circle."

Williamson, ignoring a gag order Fellay imposed on him after his interview denying the Holocaust, dismissed the Vatican talks in January as a futile bid to harmonise irreconcilable views.

"Either the SSPX becomes a traitor, or Rome converts, or it's a dialogue of the deaf," he said.

In recent months, the SSPX head in Germany has criticised Benedict for visiting the Rome synagogue and the French district head said dialogue with other faiths was ruining the Church.

A former colleague, German theologian Wolfgang Beinert, told Der Spiegel magazine last month that the pope had told him the SSPX issue "robs him of his sleep." He did not think Benedict would compromise at any cost with the ultra-traditionalists.
Kasper, the second-highest German at the Vatican after Benedict, said the SSPX has staunchly opposed the dialogue with other Christian churches for which he is responsible.

"They've attacked me as a heretic," he said with a smile.

Asked why the ultra-traditionalists opposed ecumenical dialogue so strongly, he said: "Some people feel threatened in their Catholic identity when we speak with Protestants.

"We need to have a Catholic identity," he said. "But we need an open and mature identity, not a closed one. That's not a mature identity."
That was the worst, most liberal-slanted article I've read yet about the SSPX.
It doesn't really say anything about the talks either.  It just mentions a few opinions of some prelates.
I think "Cardinal" Kasper's just grumpy becuase he doesn't have a say in these talks, rather like "Cardinal" Schönborn's strange interferences last year.
While this article is said, I think it's funny how he pointed out the SSPX wants a petrified tradition...Peter-fied?  Haha, he's right, we do what a tradition built on the rock!  Down with heretical innovocation, yay for tradition and the Vicariate of Christ!  :)
I can't wait until he becomes Kasper the unfriendly ghost.  :laughing:
It could be useful in a textbook as an example of biased journalism; otherwise that article was a waste of resources.
As they say in political speak "he was speaking to the base"
(05-06-2010, 12:58 PM)3Sanctus Wrote: While this article is said, I think it's funny how he pointed out the SSPX wants a petrified tradition...Peter-fied?  Haha, he's right, we do what a tradition built on the rock!  Down with heretical innovocation, yay for tradition and the Vicariate of Christ!  :)

The rock as symbol represent a solid base in the changing world. This is not frozen tradition but the Living Magisterium. Peter itself was to establish a religion, which completely broke up with the Jewish tradition.

As for the article:

the dogs (media) are barking, the caravan (the Church) is going ahead.

As for the expectation that the Magisterium will be controlled by and extreme minority, it is a dream, what hundred years ago the Old Catholics pursued. Today they are charismatic married priests. Extra Ecclesiam = Against the Church meaning the Jurisdictional Magisterial only Catholic Church there is no religious life.

I have no problem with change, just "heretical innovation," as I put it.

I just thought it was amusing that the Cardinal inadvertently used what could be seen as a pro-Catholic pun to denounce traditionalists.


Yeah, anywho...

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